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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 11 2014, 05:28 PM Post #1 |
 
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I'm starting to wonder whether being a better fighter than your opponent in dbz really makes a difference. For example, goku is a better fighter than vegeta is but their majin vegeta vs goku fight was still completely even. Also, I can't remember if skill played a bigger role in db than it does in dbz. Did it? Techniques/abilities like IT and kaioken I can understand making a difference but what about just skills? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, May 11 2014, 05:30 PM.
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| Goddess Ultimecia | May 11 2014, 05:40 PM Post #2 |
 
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Skill doesn't matter much because of two key equal battles or damn near equal level battles. Majin Vegeta versus SSJ2 Goku and SSJ3 Goku versus Kid Boo. Majin Vegeta (whom is stated to be Goku's dead equal) isn't noted or shown to go through any martial arts, we are forced to assume his style is a result of all his experience on the field; He's never been properly disciplined. Yet Goku whom had a handful of Martial Arts teachers couldn't do anything to signify an advantage. Call it a testament to Experience>Skill but it's pretty apparent. SSJ3 Goku versus Kid Boo is also another good example, Kid Boo doesn't have any inherrent fighting skill...He's more of a brawler than Old School Superman...yet Kid Boo is seen to hold his own quite well against Goku. If skill mattered any, Goku would be blocking these throws, hitting pressure points, and sweeping and slamming them onto the ground with no problem...but that's not the case. You can go one of two ways, the martial arts Goku knows sucks butt, or power just goes a long way and being evil versus good makes up for lack of skill. |
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| EMIYA | May 11 2014, 05:40 PM Post #3 |
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The thing is, Goku never tried to use any skill against Vegeta and by virtue I suppose you could say Vegeta never used any skill against Goku. It's sheer power fight, based upon ki, strength, speed, defense, etc. Goku never tried to utilize Instantaneous Movement, Taiyoken, and other techniques that could have definitely given him an upper hand. This is why in a versus match, we try to infer a fight when the character's are at their best and doing their best. Not PIS or CIS involved. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | May 11 2014, 07:08 PM Post #4 |
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Actually why is Goku a better fighter than Vegeta? But anyway to the topic. Skill in DBZ is not anything that really maters at all, we rarely see skill been an advantage for one player when there's a huge gap between them. I think skill in DBZ is only significant if the gap between the fighters is small to minimum. So if we had a fight like Vegeta Buu Saga vs Kid Goku with equal levels, the yes Vegeta would win because of skill. But when the gap is big, skill matters none sheer power is everything you need to win the fight, in DragonBall we see a bit more skill but still not something much. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 11 2014, 07:37 PM Post #5 |
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Vegeta's character depth during him and Goku's first fight is seen to be infantile. Vegeta at this point is quite generic. However, as the series continues, we see that Vegeta is really good at tactical execution, while Goku seems to excel at physical execution. Vegeta's skill really seemed to shine in the Namek/Freeza Arc, and in the later Boo Arc, however he's prone to his judgement being clouded by his arrogance. Goku's seen to more excel at physical execution, while his tactical is basic at best. The only times to me that stand out with his tactical is when he forced Giant Piccolo to swallow him so he could save Kami, and when he tricked Freeza into believing that two ki blasts were him, before kicking him and sending him flying. I guess the IT Kamehameha counts too, but it was rather over-hyped considering that he never had any intention of beating Cell in the first place. Not to mention that ended up being a gaping plot hole anyway. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 11 2014, 07:58 PM Post #6 |
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Can you give some examples of vegeta being tactical? Not that I don't believe you or disagree with you but I can't remember any examples right now Edit: actually, I might disagree. Goku seems really tactical too Edited by Ssj3vegito96, May 11 2014, 08:06 PM.
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May 11 2014, 09:42 PM Post #7 |
 
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In the Namek Arc in his fights against Monster Zarbon & 1st Form Freeza. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 11 2014, 10:16 PM Post #8 |
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Tactical isn't specifically about what people do during a fight, but what they do to win or gain the advantage. Goku usually relies specifically on brute force until he needs to try something else, while Vegeta's usually always thinking ahead. Examples of Vegeta's tactical prowess on Namek: Vegeta actually opting to arrive on Namek discreetly, and plan his movements around Freeza and his group. Vegeta waiting for Freeza and his gang to gather the Dragon Balls before swooping in to steal them. Vegeta hiding the Dragon Ball in the water after he attacked the Namekian Village in order to deter Freeza's plans. Vegeta swimming away from Freeza's ship instead of flying so that they wouldn't see him. Vegeta opting to have Krillin almost kill him in order to gain power is both stupid and tactical. Examples of Vegeta's tactical prowess (Android Arc): Confirming that 19 absorbed ki through his palms by allowing him to absorb his ki. Bluffing to Gero, convincing him that he was ready to take him on when he was weakened. (Piccolo specifically mentions at this time that Vegeta is a brilliant fighter). Examples of Vegeta's tactical prowess in the Boo Arc: Ripping Fat Boo out of Super Boo. Fighting Boo to stall time for Goku to recover ki. Opting to have the people of Earth supply the energy to the Genki Dama. Asking Porunga to restore Goku's ki. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 11 2014, 10:19 PM.
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| DSTREET45 | May 12 2014, 12:08 AM Post #9 |
 
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Didn't Piccolo call Vegeta a fighting genius? Anyways any meaning of skill mattering in fights were almost extinct Post Frieza Saga. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | May 12 2014, 12:59 AM Post #10 |
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What about goku coming up with mssj and vegeta staying with ASSJ? Vegeta even admitted that goku's idea was better and it was genius idea. Vegeta also said, "you're still a greater genius than me" |
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| WarriorRace | May 12 2014, 01:15 AM Post #11 |
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I think skill does matter if power levels are equal. In the Vegeta vs Goku fight there was a bigger emphasis on power so skill wasn't a big factor. Goku probably has more techniques and Vegeta has more experience in battle. But I think they're very close in hand to hand combat and equal in power at that point. Skill did play a bigger role in DB mostly in the Budokai fights. The Tien vs Goku fights were focused a lot more on skill, and the Jackie Chun vs Goku fights as well. |
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