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Battle of Gods Issues
Topic Started: May 10 2014, 09:59 AM (4,257 Views)
Mihawk
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Well I wouldn't consider the Freeza one a problem since it doesn't really exist. But yeah Vegeta never got a ground breaking rage boost before I don't see why he should suddenly get on in the movie.

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Only issue for BoG is that it sucks
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i thought it was a good movie
as far as im concerned its cannon
and lunar convered the, goten/trunks age discrepancy, its just AT's style
which can be seen with goku in db

pretty sure, the power up is temp and permanent
the power he got, he kept but its just not as strong as it was initially, meaning he retained most of the god powers
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lunar2
May 18 2014, 07:12 PM
no, the power is the most broken thing about the movie.

frieza > base goku literally can't happen even with minimal gaps between characters.
That's your opinion bud. I only see a problem with Vegeta.
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May 18 2014, 10:26 PM
lunar2
May 18 2014, 07:12 PM
no, the power is the most broken thing about the movie.

frieza > base goku literally can't happen even with minimal gaps between characters.
That's your opinion bud. I only see a problem with Vegeta.
...& dis is a forum where u can share opinions rite :)
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StrawHatCrew
May 18 2014, 10:28 PM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
May 18 2014, 10:26 PM
lunar2
May 18 2014, 07:12 PM
no, the power is the most broken thing about the movie.

frieza > base goku literally can't happen even with minimal gaps between characters.
That's your opinion bud. I only see a problem with Vegeta.
...& dis is a forum where u can share opinions rite :)
Yes, it indeed is. Problem is, he claimed something was impossible, when in reality that's not the case.
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May 18 2014, 10:26 PM
lunar2
May 18 2014, 07:12 PM
no, the power is the most broken thing about the movie.

frieza > base goku literally can't happen even with minimal gaps between characters.
That's your opinion bud. I only see a problem with Vegeta.
do the math yourself. it's been done, by me and others, multiple times, since long before BoG was even thought of. goku can possibly come in under frieza simply by power gaps in the buu arc, but only if you use a 50x mutliplier, and only if you ignore several parts of the manga, like trunks vs. #18, and suppressed base saiyans ~ ssj2 gohan. however, even then, he's just barely weaker than frieza during the buu arc. there's absolutely no way he's still weaker 5 years later.

yes, it is entirely possible that bills was just taunting goku. i'm not denying that. but the statement was made, and the statement is clearly, provably false. it is not my opinion that base goku, 5 years after the buu arc, is stronger than frieza, it is fact. there is no way to work the numbers where it doesn't happen, and the progression of the story is very clear that this is what happened.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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But still it makes no sense. Goku is normally suppressed. Does Beers have some special sensing abilities that other Kaio don't have?

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like i said, i don't deny that bills could have just been taunting goku. i'm just pointing out the statement was made, and the statement is impossible.

also, bills isn't a kai at all. the kais are just overseers, bills is an actual god.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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May 18 2014, 11:45 PM
But still it makes no sense. Goku is normally suppressed. Does Beers have some special sensing abilities that other Kaio don't have?
It can be argued that Gods do have a different way of sensing. Piccolo sensed that there was something unusual about Kaioshin and he fused with a former god.
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Whatever that special way of sensing it doesn't seem to work for gauging strength since he was way off with his estimations over and over. One could even translate that over to Beers, but no need to even go that far.

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piccolo was never off on his sensing except with buu. other than that, he was just vague. he's not comfortable making exact statements about those who are stronger than him.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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I was talking about Kaioshin being way off unless that post wasn't for me.

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oh, yeah. kaioshin did underestimate the 3 people he could actually sense properly (since everyone else was blocked by the majin seal, and buu's ki is a lie).
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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May 18 2014, 11:33 PM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
May 18 2014, 10:26 PM
lunar2
May 18 2014, 07:12 PM
no, the power is the most broken thing about the movie.

frieza > base goku literally can't happen even with minimal gaps between characters.
That's your opinion bud. I only see a problem with Vegeta.
do the math yourself. it's been done, by me and others, multiple times, since long before BoG was even thought of. goku can possibly come in under frieza simply by power gaps in the buu arc, but only if you use a 50x mutliplier, and only if you ignore several parts of the manga, like trunks vs. #18, and suppressed base saiyans ~ ssj2 gohan. however, even then, he's just barely weaker than frieza during the buu arc. there's absolutely no way he's still weaker 5 years later.

yes, it is entirely possible that bills was just taunting goku. i'm not denying that. but the statement was made, and the statement is clearly, provably false. it is not my opinion that base goku, 5 years after the buu arc, is stronger than frieza, it is fact. there is no way to work the numbers where it doesn't happen, and the progression of the story is very clear that this is what happened.
I have done the math, you were simply unable to make it work. Me, Kaboom, and several others have been able to make due.
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