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| Tweet Topic Started: May 10 2014, 09:59 AM (4,252 Views) | |
| Raiken | May 10 2014, 09:59 AM Post #1 |
 
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Some little issues I have on Battle of Gods; I wasn't sure which area to create this thread, so it can be moved if need be. My first question. Is Battle of Gods Canon to the Dragonball Manga, if it is, I guess that also makes "Son Goku and his Friends Return Canon?". Secondly, Power Scaling: at the end of Dragonball Z when Goku defeated Kid Buu, Gohan was considered to be considerably more powerful than even SSJ3 Goku: (Ultimate Gohan >> Super Buu = SSJ3 Gotenks >?> SSJ3 Goku >>>> SSJ2 Vegeta). So how is it that the scaling looked more like this in Battle of Gods: (SSJ or SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ3 Goku =?> Ultimate Gohan.) Kind of silly considering Toriyama stated that at the end of DBZ, Gohan was the strongest, non-fused/absorptions, character in the series. Thirdly, how the hell is it a 4 year time skip and Goten and Trunks still look 7/8. :/ They should have both been physically around how Gohan was during the Android Saga-Cell Games Saga. Also, is Goku's boost from becoming a God, gaining Godly Ki, as shown in his Base/SSJ state after loosing his SSJG Form, permanent or temporary. Edited by Raiken, May 10 2014, 01:14 PM.
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| + Emmeth | May 10 2014, 10:06 AM Post #2 |
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Moved to the appropriate section, since the majority of the 'issue' is about BoG 
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May 10 2014, 01:08 PM Post #3 |
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battle of god is cannon , so goku is the strongest hero of dbz.
Edited by Goku-Swag, May 10 2014, 01:08 PM.
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| + Clearin | May 10 2014, 01:23 PM Post #4 |
 
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According to Toriyama it is.
It makes Tarble canon, not necessarily the special (Think of Bardock being canon but the Bardock special itself isn't) |
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| Raiken | May 11 2014, 09:09 AM Post #5 |
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No other replies on my other queries? |
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| + Pointer | May 11 2014, 09:22 AM Post #6 |
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it can not be canon because it has non canon elements : Vegeta's brother for me it is just as canon as Broly |
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| Gracek90 | May 11 2014, 12:01 PM Post #7 |
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If you stretch it enough, then Vegeta having a brother is possible. BOG is also canon however. [/quote] battle of god is cannon , so goku is the strongest hero of dbz.[/quote] The movie shows that Whis>Billis>SSG Goku>Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ 3 Goku Thus he is not the strongest here;P. |
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| + Pointer | May 11 2014, 12:16 PM Post #8 |
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battle of god is cannon , so goku is the strongest hero of dbz.[/quote] The movie shows that Whis>Billis>SSG Goku>Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ 3 Goku Thus he is not the strongest here;P.[/quote]thats why he said "strongest hero" |
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| + Majin Vegeta | May 11 2014, 12:20 PM Post #9 |
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-It was heavily implied by Toriyama himself that BOG is canon, now many fans don't think so but some do, its your opinion on the matter, I believe it is since he wrote the movie and said it is .-Your EOZ powerscalling is very good, but not the BOG one. There's no reason to believe either SSJ3 Goku or SSJ2 Vegeta are stronger than Mystic Gohan, we never saw that in the movie, the only think we know is that Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta>SSJ3 Goku, after this it was implied that he was stronger than Mystic Gohan as well because he did better than him when fighting Bills. The BOG powerscalling goes like this: Whis>Bills 100%>>Bills 70%>SSJG Goku>>Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta>>Supressed Bills>>Mystic Gohan>SSJ Gotenks~>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ2 Vegeta. -Well you can call that ignorance if ya like, I agree they should look a bit older. -When Goku became a SSJG he rechieved the category of "godly ki" he can no longer be sensed by mortals when he is at SSJG, and Goku just rechieved a portion of SSJG power, like Bills said he absorbed it a bit of the "god power" but he is still a mortal when he is not a SSJG. I hope I helped ya out 
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battle of god is cannon , so goku is the strongest hero of dbz.[/quote] The movie shows that Whis>Billis>SSG Goku>Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta>Ultimate Gohan>SSJ 3 Goku Thus he is not the strongest here;P.[/quote] you didnt my post clear enough. i said goku is the strongst hero. |
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| lunar2 | May 18 2014, 04:21 PM Post #11 |
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1. there are several possible stances on whether or not it is canon. a. it is not canon, because the definition of canon is the authentic works of the author. even though AT claims to have written the script himself, he is not credited for it, so it hasn't been authenticated. it is therefore apocrypha, rather than canon. b. it is canon, because the definition of canon is official works. which means everything dragonball related, from manga to anime to movies to games to toys to guidebooks to interviews to magazine articles, is canon, even the mutually contradictory stuff. c. it is canon, because akira said so. d. it is not canon, despite being written by AT and stated to be part of the same story, because it is not part of the original manga. i vote a. it's not canon, because the writer can't be authenticated. that, and it disagrees with established material. however, even if BoG was canon, the 2008 special would not be, since it was not written by AT (he just came up with the idea). @goten/trunks. that's just the art style. back in dragonball, goku at 12 looked exactly the same as goku at 15. it's no big deal. they are definitely 12 and 13, though, since trunks is interested in girls now. also, it's a 5 year timeskip. goku's god ki boost is definitely temporary. he is weaker at the 28th budokai than he is at the end of BoG. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | May 18 2014, 06:35 PM Post #12 |
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It's canon as far as I'm concerned. Toriyama's decisions to keep incorporating Beerus into the manga's history tells me that he thinks Beerus, and thus Battle of Gods, are true to his manga. as far the issues taken up with this film, the power scaling isn't damaged, unless you take issue with Vegeta having unbelievable reserves of potential for whatever reason. I just assume Vegeta was never able to truly access this potential until this point in time. It's definitely odd, but the Vegeta fanboy in me doesn't give a single f*** . As for the look of Goten and Trunks, Goku was 12 when we first saw him, and he's just as short if not shorter. We can assume this is simply happening for Goten and Trunks, and they will eventually hit a growth spurt.
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| lunar2 | May 18 2014, 07:12 PM Post #13 |
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no, the power is the most broken thing about the movie. frieza > base goku literally can't happen even with minimal gaps between characters. vegeta has already undergone a full potential release. he doesn't have any dormant ability left to fuel a rage boost, and he's certainly not going from even with goku in the same form to stronger than goku in the next form up. and goku at eoz is weaker than post god goku. not to mention gohan's horrible performance. even drunk, there's no way vegeta is outperforming him when he's over a dozen times as powerful as ssj3 goku. that much raw power simply can't be overcome, by any means. or gotenks going down without doing a thing, despite being way more powerful than goku, and not drunk. not to mention that bills can beat someone by spanking them. no. the movie followed the standard formula of ignoring everyone in favor of goku and vegeta, even though gohan and gotenks should have been far more effective. |
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| Mihawk | May 18 2014, 07:28 PM Post #14 |
 
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Lunar2 did you watch the movie? Beerus made the claim mainly based on looks more than anything else so the main contradiction doesn't exist. I don't have an issue accepting the movie as official canon (same as guidebooks). |
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| lunar2 | May 18 2014, 07:54 PM Post #15 |
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yes, i did watch the movie. i was listing problems with power in the movie, not trying to explain them. you still have a character that had a full potential release somehow getting rage boosts, despite never getting a rage boost even when he did have dormant ability to tap into. |
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