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How strong are Pui Pui and Yakon?
Topic Started: May 9 2014, 03:49 AM (6,570 Views)
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Emmeth
May 14 2014, 01:35 PM
'Kaioshin was scared of Pocus, therefore he is weaker.'

That's like me saying I don't like Kobe Beef, even if I haven't tried it before.

Kaioshin and Pocus had never seen eachother before.

Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P4.4
Context: as Videl fights Spopovitch
Goku: “Like I thought, that Spopovitch guy is weird…He seems too fine, despite the fact that he should have taken so much damage, and I can’t sense any life from him…”
Note: ‘life’, in this case is seiki, written with the kanji for ‘life’ and ‘ki’.


If this quote stands true, the Z-Fighters can't sense their opponent and Kaioshin can't either. Kaioshin doesn't directly speak about Pocus' power, but about Babidi and his ability to find strong enemies.

My conclusion and the most likely case, is that Kaioshin is talking about Babidi and his magic. Pocus could be even weaker than Freeza, and Kaioshin wouldn't know.

Never heard Kaioshin talking about the magic , only about the strong warriors. Remember that Goku and Vegeta knew how strong Babidi's fighters were , Dabura and Pocus.
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May 14 2014, 08:27 PM
Emmeth
May 14 2014, 01:35 PM
'Kaioshin was scared of Pocus, therefore he is weaker.'

That's like me saying I don't like Kobe Beef, even if I haven't tried it before.

Kaioshin and Pocus had never seen eachother before.

Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P4.4
Context: as Videl fights Spopovitch
Goku: “Like I thought, that Spopovitch guy is weird…He seems too fine, despite the fact that he should have taken so much damage, and I can’t sense any life from him…”
Note: ‘life’, in this case is seiki, written with the kanji for ‘life’ and ‘ki’.


If this quote stands true, the Z-Fighters can't sense their opponent and Kaioshin can't either. Kaioshin doesn't directly speak about Pocus' power, but about Babidi and his ability to find strong enemies.

My conclusion and the most likely case, is that Kaioshin is talking about Babidi and his magic. Pocus could be even weaker than Freeza, and Kaioshin wouldn't know.

Never heard Kaioshin talking about the magic , only about the strong warriors. Remember that Goku and Vegeta knew how strong Babidi's fighters were , Dabura and Pocus.
He only mentions it twice when they fly after Spopo and Yamu...
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May 14 2014, 08:29 PM
Alex KloonBoss
May 14 2014, 08:27 PM
Emmeth
May 14 2014, 01:35 PM
'Kaioshin was scared of Pocus, therefore he is weaker.'

That's like me saying I don't like Kobe Beef, even if I haven't tried it before.

Kaioshin and Pocus had never seen eachother before.

Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P4.4
Context: as Videl fights Spopovitch
Goku: “Like I thought, that Spopovitch guy is weird…He seems too fine, despite the fact that he should have taken so much damage, and I can’t sense any life from him…”
Note: ‘life’, in this case is seiki, written with the kanji for ‘life’ and ‘ki’.


If this quote stands true, the Z-Fighters can't sense their opponent and Kaioshin can't either. Kaioshin doesn't directly speak about Pocus' power, but about Babidi and his ability to find strong enemies.

My conclusion and the most likely case, is that Kaioshin is talking about Babidi and his magic. Pocus could be even weaker than Freeza, and Kaioshin wouldn't know.

Never heard Kaioshin talking about the magic , only about the strong warriors. Remember that Goku and Vegeta knew how strong Babidi's fighters were , Dabura and Pocus.
He only mentions it twice when they fly after Spopo and Yamu...

You mean when he stated about Babidi's strong warrior they will face soon in the ship?
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Emmeth
May 14 2014, 01:45 PM
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May 14 2014, 01:41 PM
Base vegeta godstomped pui pui but goku needed a ssj2 for yakon....weird isnt it
Goku didn't need SSJ2 for Yakon. If Yakon didn't have the light-sucking ability, SSJ would've been enough.
Might be right ...

By this logic ssj2 gives more "light"?

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May 14 2014, 08:35 PM
You mean when he stated about Babidi's strong warrior they will face soon in the ship?
I think they might have been at the scene when Kaioshin said that. He does say "He’s good enough to make even Dabra into his underling" about Babidi.
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May 14 2014, 08:43 PM
Alex KloonBoss
May 14 2014, 08:35 PM
You mean when he stated about Babidi's strong warrior they will face soon in the ship?
I think they might have been at the scene when Kaioshin said that. He does say "He’s good enough to make even Dabra into his underling" about Babidi.

Of course my dude. But does Kaioshin find Pocus strong or not?

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May 14 2014, 08:45 PM
Of course my dude. But does Kaioshin find Pocus strong or not?

That's not relevant. Kaioshin is thinking about Babidi's magic, that's what I'm arguing.
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May 14 2014, 08:46 PM
Alex KloonBoss
May 14 2014, 08:45 PM
Of course my dude. But does Kaioshin find Pocus strong or not?

That's not relevant. Kaioshin is thinking about Babidi's magic, that's what I'm arguing.

He doesn't think about magic when Pocus shows off , thats what the public is arguing.
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That kai is a very confusing character; Compare these 2 scenes:
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In the first one, hes nonchalantly telling goku hes unsure he can contain ssj2 gohan. while in the second hes stunned by base vegetas display of power...
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Pui Pui base could be strong as the third transformation of Freezer but with the enhancement of Babidi may have reached 25% of the power of Freeza.

Yakon is close to the power of Freeza , on par with King Cold.
Edited by AsuraV, May 19 2014, 11:39 AM.
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actually pui pui is 30 times weaker than ssj buu saga goku

yakon is roughly 4 times

based on killi metric system

lets say fp cell was 10


then gohan cg was 8

Goku cg 5

goku buu 9


so I assume buu saga goku in ssj was stronger than CG ssj gohan this way...


Yakon 9/4=2

Pui Pui= 9/30=0.3


Yakon is between assj Vegeta cg and android 18

Pui Pui is between android 18 and initial final form frieza
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May 19 2014, 11:37 AM
Pui Pui base could be strong as the third transformation of Freezer but with the enhancement of Babidi may have reached 25% of the power of Freeza.

Yakon is close to the power of Freeza , on par with King Cold.
Well you must have Base Goku below Frieza in order for that to be true and all.
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What proof do we have that base Saiyans have reached Freeza, if anything is more likely the opposite way also about the latest revelations.
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May 19 2014, 12:35 PM
What proof do we have that base Saiyans have reached Freeza, if anything is more likely the opposite way also about the latest revelations.

How about a proof that the base kids were almost on par against 18.
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May 19 2014, 12:35 PM
What proof do we have that base Saiyans have reached Freeza, if anything is more likely the opposite way also about the latest revelations.
-The fact Base Kids were on par with #18.
-The fact Kaioshin stated he would most likely lose in a fight with a Base Goku and Kaioshin stated he could oneshot Frieza.
-The fact Kaioshin was afraid to fight Yakon in one on one and yet Base Goku prove to be a match for him.

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