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How strong are Pui Pui and Yakon?
Topic Started: May 9 2014, 03:49 AM (6,573 Views)
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Yami Marik
May 9 2014, 10:14 PM
So Kaioshin doesn't know how strong he is? And what about him against Buu? Mr Satan survived against Kid Buu's punch.

I saaiidd Kaioshin isnt confident of himself. he becomes so strange and weird after word tournament saga. i meant when kiaoshin attacks buu.
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May 9 2014, 10:15 PM
Yami Marik
May 9 2014, 10:14 PM
So Kaioshin doesn't know how strong he is? And what about him against Buu? Mr Satan survived against Kid Buu's punch.

I saaiidd Kaioshin isnt confident of himself. he becomes so strange and weird after word tournament saga. i meant when kiaoshin attacks buu.
You also said he doesn't know how strong he is, but forget dat anway :p .

When he attacked Buu, well what? He hold off Buu with his magic for a bit and lasted a while longer than Gohan IIRC, don't see how impressive that is.
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May 9 2014, 09:47 PM
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May 9 2014, 09:24 PM
Kaioshin's knowledge of SSJ suggests that he did not witness the Namek battle first hand... and Freeza makes it very clear that of his entire life, he has spent a very small fraction of it in this Final Form.

Kaioshin has been shown to be incompetent at the best of times... and he has an entire Universe to poorly oversee... and he's obviously not watching everywhere at once (considering his extreme lack of knowledge on the main characters of the story)... I wouldn't find it surprising if he simply missed those few moments of Final Form Freeza.

That being said though, at this point in the story there would be no reason to compare anyone to First Form Freeza.

So really it comes down to which you believe is more important; Author's intent or content implications.

This is a very good point, but I need to correct you on one thing.

and Freeza makes it very clear that of his entire life, he has spent a very small fraction of it in this Final Form.

1. When does Freeza make this clear? The only thing I can think of is "This isn’t something you get to see very often." when he transformed to his second form.
2. He says he's suppressed because he can't control his power and he has three transformation, suggesting his final form is his 'base' form. What he was born into.

Otherwise, I don't think it's anything to dwell on.
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Chapter: 301 (DBZ 107), P13.5
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Freeza: “I’ll show you! You should consider this an honor! You’re the first ones I’ve ever gone so far as to show this transformation to!”
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Yami Marik
May 9 2014, 10:19 PM
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May 9 2014, 10:15 PM
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May 9 2014, 10:14 PM
So Kaioshin doesn't know how strong he is? And what about him against Buu? Mr Satan survived against Kid Buu's punch.

I saaiidd Kaioshin isnt confident of himself. he becomes so strange and weird after word tournament saga. i meant when kiaoshin attacks buu.
You also said he doesn't know how strong he is, but forget dat anway :p .

When he attacked Buu, well what? He hold off Buu with his magic for a bit and lasted a while longer than Gohan IIRC, don't see how impressive that is.

Kaioshin proved anything he said wrong , i mean everything what he worried about became wrong. And kaioshins magic could kill pyui pui
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May 9 2014, 10:26 PM
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May 9 2014, 10:19 PM
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May 9 2014, 10:15 PM
Yami Marik
May 9 2014, 10:14 PM
So Kaioshin doesn't know how strong he is? And what about him against Buu? Mr Satan survived against Kid Buu's punch.

I saaiidd Kaioshin isnt confident of himself. he becomes so strange and weird after word tournament saga. i meant when kiaoshin attacks buu.
You also said he doesn't know how strong he is, but forget dat anway :p .

When he attacked Buu, well what? He hold off Buu with his magic for a bit and lasted a while longer than Gohan IIRC, don't see how impressive that is.

Kaioshin proved anything he said wrong , i mean everything what he worried about became wrong. And kaioshins magic could kill pyui pui
Everything he said was wrong because he underestimated the power of the saiyans, he was worried about Pui Pui, then Base Vegeta beat the crap out of him, Kaioshin was like no way man, that implies Kaioshin thought he was superior to the Base Saiyans or they were all in the same leaque.

Then he sees Yakon and he gets even more worried and serious, Goku still beats him, so as you see Kaioshin just underestimates the power of the saiyans, and if he is worried about Yakon and Pui Pui, that means he is weaker than then, I can't really put it any more simple than that :) I made my point and I believe Pui Pui>Kaioshin, its your choise to believe the opposite I respect it and I have no problem with it.
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May 9 2014, 10:31 PM
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May 9 2014, 10:26 PM
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May 9 2014, 10:14 PM
So Kaioshin doesn't know how strong he is? And what about him against Buu? Mr Satan survived against Kid Buu's punch.

I saaiidd Kaioshin isnt confident of himself. he becomes so strange and weird after word tournament saga. i meant when kiaoshin attacks buu.
You also said he doesn't know how strong he is, but forget dat anway :p .

When he attacked Buu, well what? He hold off Buu with his magic for a bit and lasted a while longer than Gohan IIRC, don't see how impressive that is.

Kaioshin proved anything he said wrong , i mean everything what he worried about became wrong. And kaioshins magic could kill pyui pui
Everything he said was wrong because he underestimated the power of the saiyans, he was worried about Pui Pui, then Base Vegeta beat the crap out of him, Kaioshin was like no way man, that implies Kaioshin thought he was superior to the Base Saiyans or they were all in the same leaque.

Then he sees Yakon and he gets even more worried and serious, Goku still beats him, so as you see Kaioshin just underestimates the power of the saiyans, and if he is worried about Yakon and Pui Pui, that means he is weaker than then, I can't really put it any more simple than that :) I made my point and I believe Pui Pui>Kaioshin, its your choise to believe the opposite I respect it and I have no problem with it.

Kaioshin is no way stronger than bse saiyans. he admitted that goku is stronger thn himself. he knew vegeta was stronger , so why worring bout vegeta fighting puipui? you seee.


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He admitted in Goku he will most likely lose, most likely, which means that they are still in the same leaque of power, he never said for sure I will lose, just that he will lose propably.
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May 9 2014, 10:40 PM
He admitted in Goku he will most likely lose, most likely, which means that they are still in the same leaque of power, he never said for sure I will lose, just that he will lose propably.

This is the first time im going to use a quote of herms.

Chapter: 437 (DBZ 243), P11.2-3
Context: talking to Goku
Kaioshin: “I’ve managed to pass the preliminaries too. It’d be nice if the match-ups allow me to have a match against you. Of course, I don’t have confidence that I could win, but I want to know just how strong you are.”

i summed it up done.
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Pui-Pui: Rivaling FP Semi-Perfect Cell

Yakon: Stronger than Initial Perfect Cell

Keep in mind I have this chain due to me believing Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo
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May 9 2014, 03:16 PM
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May 9 2014, 03:53 AM
I go by Kaioshin < Pui Pui < Base Vegeta ~< Yakon ~< Base Goku <<<<<<<<< Piccolo

So I consider Pui Pui to be about as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the android arc, and Yakon to be as strong as Android 16. (Yakon may be a little weaker.)

You're messing things up , thats not how it works , look listen.

Goku is strongest from that point , base saiyans are stronger, so Vegeta is second behind goku being number 2 oke? Gohan ends up third becaude like i said base saiyans are stronger than piccolo proven once again. kaioshin is strongr than piccolo too, its a fact dont deny things. yakon got easily pounded by goku , dont believe the light show of yakon and pui pui is weakest. simple;
I'm messing up? Nah.

Yakon was shown to give Base Goku some serious difficulty, hence why he had to turn into a super Saiyan.
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May 9 2014, 11:28 PM

Yakon was shown to give Base Goku some serious difficulty, hence why he had to turn into a super Saiyan.
Serious? :lol: goku was the only one to land a hit. The only slight difficulty was the darkness. But why was it dark again? Million dollar question!!

Was it:
A/ Yakon was home sick, so babidi made the arena like his home to make him feel better.
B/ Yakon cant last 10mins in light, so babidi got rid of the It!
C/ Babidi noticed right away Yokan didn't stand a chance and tried to give him an advantage by changing the arena.
D/ All the above!

Also:
Kai>>>Pui Pui
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May 9 2014, 10:48 PM
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May 9 2014, 10:40 PM
He admitted in Goku he will most likely lose, most likely, which means that they are still in the same leaque of power, he never said for sure I will lose, just that he will lose propably.

This is the first time im going to use a quote of herms.

Chapter: 437 (DBZ 243), P11.2-3
Context: talking to Goku
Kaioshin: “I’ve managed to pass the preliminaries too. It’d be nice if the match-ups allow me to have a match against you. Of course, I don’t have confidence that I could win, but I want to know just how strong you are.”

i summed it up done.
He doesn't have confidence he will win, which tells us what? it means that Goku will not oneshot him, which means that Base Goku is no more than 1.2x times stronger than Kaioshin(stomping range) if it was a bigger gap, then Kaioshin would say I'm totally screwed. They are in the same realm of power, with Goku having the advantage, your quote just made my point even better.
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I go by Kaioshin < Pui Pui < Base Vegeta ~< Yakon ~< Base Goku <<<<<<<<< Piccolo

So I consider Pui Pui to be about as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the android arc, and Yakon to be as strong as Android 16. (Yakon may be a little weaker.)

You're messing things up , thats not how it works , look listen.

Goku is strongest from that point , base saiyans are stronger, so Vegeta is second behind goku being number 2 oke? Gohan ends up third becaude like i said base saiyans are stronger than piccolo proven once again. kaioshin is strongr than piccolo too, its a fact dont deny things. yakon got easily pounded by goku , dont believe the light show of yakon and pui pui is weakest. simple;
I'm messing up? Nah.

Yakon was shown to give Base Goku some serious difficulty, hence why he had to turn into a super Saiyan.

Yakcon didnt do anything to goku, goku didnt concenctrated when yakon messed up his shirt a ittle bit , but then agian , nothing happened to goku. the dark light show was yakon advanateg thats it.

kaioshin is stronger than pui pui , a lttiel bit weaker than yakwon.
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Chapter: 451 (DBZ 257), P6.5
Context: after Yakon eats Goku’s Super Saiyan light
Gohan: “Father, I’ll fight too! If there’s two of us, then we’ll be able to win without becoming Super Saiyans!”

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Chapter: 451 (DBZ 257), P6.5
Context: after Yakon eats Goku’s Super Saiyan light
Gohan: “Father, I’ll fight too! If there’s two of us, then we’ll be able to win without becoming Super Saiyans!”

...only means: Yakon > Gohan
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