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How strong are Pui Pui and Yakon?
Topic Started: May 9 2014, 03:49 AM (6,574 Views)
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Pui-Pui is a total putz compared to the base Saiyans. I consider him on-par with 1st-form Freeza, perhaps a little stronger, just to give him some due credit as "one of the universe's strongest warriors."

Yakon is meant to be total overkill on someone who could easily kill someone on Pui-Pui's level, so I in turn see him roughly on-par with 100% Freeza, which is moderately stronger than the base Saiyans. Goku can go toe-to-toe with him well enough, but when Super Saiyan is seemingly out of the picture, Gohan offers to help fight Yakon two-on-one so transforming won't be necessary.
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May 9 2014, 03:53 AM
I go by Kaioshin < Pui Pui < Base Vegeta ~< Yakon ~< Base Goku <<<<<<<<< Piccolo

So I consider Pui Pui to be about as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the android arc, and Yakon to be as strong as Android 16. (Yakon may be a little weaker.)

You're messing things up , thats not how it works , look listen.

Goku is strongest from that point , base saiyans are stronger, so Vegeta is second behind goku being number 2 oke? Gohan ends up third becaude like i said base saiyans are stronger than piccolo proven once again. kaioshin is strongr than piccolo too, its a fact dont deny things. yakon got easily pounded by goku , dont believe the light show of yakon and pui pui is weakest. simple;
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Goku-Swag, why you always sound like you are entirely sure, that only your statements are true? Anyway it was debated a lot of times and still people are divided into two groups. Those who belive saiyans>Piccolo and those who think otherwise.

About Pui Pui, well. Phrase "One of the strongest in the universe" can be applied to anyone higher than 30 000.
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May 9 2014, 03:16 PM
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May 9 2014, 03:53 AM
I go by Kaioshin < Pui Pui < Base Vegeta ~< Yakon ~< Base Goku <<<<<<<<< Piccolo

So I consider Pui Pui to be about as strong as SSJ Vegeta from the android arc, and Yakon to be as strong as Android 16. (Yakon may be a little weaker.)

You're messing things up , thats not how it works , look listen.

Goku is strongest from that point , base saiyans are stronger, so Vegeta is second behind goku being number 2 oke? Gohan ends up third becaude like i said base saiyans are stronger than piccolo proven once again. kaioshin is strongr than piccolo too, its a fact dont deny things. yakon got easily pounded by goku , dont believe the light show of yakon and pui pui is weakest. simple;
Stop talking about proof when you have absolutely nothing. Yakon was not easily pounded by Goku by any means.
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Kaioshin >>> Yakon >>> Pui-Pui
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May 9 2014, 11:39 AM
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May 9 2014, 11:24 AM
Kaioshin referred to frieza's first form
Nothing hints at this.

Why would he talk about Freeza's First Form? Kaioshin is an overseer of the entire universe and has been for a long time. Kaioshin was aware of Freeza and since his final form is his true original form, Kaioshin should know about it.
Kaioshin's knowledge of SSJ suggests that he did not witness the Namek battle first hand... and Freeza makes it very clear that of his entire life, he has spent a very small fraction of it in this Final Form.

Kaioshin has been shown to be incompetent at the best of times... and he has an entire Universe to poorly oversee... and he's obviously not watching everywhere at once (considering his extreme lack of knowledge on the main characters of the story)... I wouldn't find it surprising if he simply missed those few moments of Final Form Freeza.

That being said though, at this point in the story there would be no reason to compare anyone to First Form Freeza.

So really it comes down to which you believe is more important; Author's intent or content implications.


As for the topic; Pui Pui's range is far too wide to nail him anywhere...

"One of the strongest in the Universe"... the Ginyu Tokusentai were also awarded such a title. So anywhere between 40k'ish... and weaker than Base Vegeta (wherever you have him).

Yakon is far easier: Base Goku >~ Yakon >>> Pui Pui

He is either on a similar tier as Goku... or Goku was simply feeling out his opponent as always. It doesn't matter greatly either way.
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May 9 2014, 04:21 PM
Kaioshin >>> Yakon >>> Pui-Pui
I wouldn't quite go that far because Kaioshin was confident that they'd need everyone to attack Pui Pui in order to stand a chance. I'd probably put him around Pui Pui, with Kaioshin's assumption that the Saiyans were all weaker than him.
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May 9 2014, 04:01 PM
Goku-Swag, why you always sound like you are entirely sure, that only your statements are true? Anyway it was debated a lot of times and still people are divided into two groups. Those who belive saiyans>Piccolo and those who think otherwise.

About Pui Pui, well. Phrase "One of the strongest in the universe" can be applied to anyone higher than 30 000.

You didn't prove anything , so my point still stands.

Pui Pui got easily pounded simple. and Yakon put up a little bit a good fight against Goku, but Goku wa sonly warming up.
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May 9 2014, 09:24 PM
Kaioshin's knowledge of SSJ suggests that he did not witness the Namek battle first hand... and Freeza makes it very clear that of his entire life, he has spent a very small fraction of it in this Final Form.

Kaioshin has been shown to be incompetent at the best of times... and he has an entire Universe to poorly oversee... and he's obviously not watching everywhere at once (considering his extreme lack of knowledge on the main characters of the story)... I wouldn't find it surprising if he simply missed those few moments of Final Form Freeza.

That being said though, at this point in the story there would be no reason to compare anyone to First Form Freeza.

So really it comes down to which you believe is more important; Author's intent or content implications.

This is a very good point, but I need to correct you on one thing.

and Freeza makes it very clear that of his entire life, he has spent a very small fraction of it in this Final Form.

1. When does Freeza make this clear? The only thing I can think of is "This isn’t something you get to see very often." when he transformed to his second form.
2. He says he's suppressed because he can't control his power and he has three transformation, suggesting his final form is his 'base' form. What he was born into.

Otherwise, I don't think it's anything to dwell on.
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Kaioshin is wrong like i said again. He saw ssj2 gohan , but was worreid about pui pui.

Pui Pui isss nott stroonggg. Kaioshin doesnt know about powersss. to yami yug guy.
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May 9 2014, 10:00 PM
Kaioshin is wrong like i said again. He saw ssj2 gohan , but was worreid about pui pui.

Pui Pui isss nott stroonggg. Kaioshin doesnt know about powersss. to yami yug guy.
Was Kaioshin about yo fight Gohan or something? He saw Gohan's power and had doubts if he can even control him with his magic. Unless I see a real good reason Pui Pui is as weak as you claim he is, I'll just believe Kaioshins Reaction.

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May 9 2014, 10:03 PM
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Kaioshin is wrong like i said again. He saw ssj2 gohan , but was worreid about pui pui.

Pui Pui isss nott stroonggg. Kaioshin doesnt know about powersss. to yami yug guy.
Was Kaioshin about yo fight Gohan or something? He saw Gohan's power and had doubts if he can even control him with his magic. Unless I see a real good reason Pui Pui is as weak as you claim he is, I'll just believe Kaioshins Reaction.

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He sensed ssj2 gohans power , and after that he thinks pui pui is strong , so that means pui pui is stronger than ssj2 gohan. u see that doesnt make sense. he says goku is stronger than himself , remember! so why does he thinks that goku or vegeta cant beat pui pui ?
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Kaioshin is wrong like i said again. He saw ssj2 gohan , but was worreid about pui pui.

Pui Pui isss nott stroonggg. Kaioshin doesnt know about powersss. to yami yug guy.
Was Kaioshin about yo fight Gohan or something? He saw Gohan's power and had doubts if he can even control him with his magic. Unless I see a real good reason Pui Pui is as weak as you claim he is, I'll just believe Kaioshins Reaction.

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He sensed ssj2 gohans power , and after that he thinks pui pui is strong , so that means pui pui is stronger than ssj2 gohan. u see that doesnt make sense. he says goku is stronger than himself , remember! so why does he thinks that goku or vegeta cant beat pui pui ?
You might not get the point I wanted to make at first, I believe that Pui Pui>Kaioshin, I'm not saying he is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, I'm saying that Kaioshin's fear or whatever you wanna call it, leads me to believe that he is weaker than him. Get it now?
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Kaioshin is wrong like i said again. He saw ssj2 gohan , but was worreid about pui pui.

Pui Pui isss nott stroonggg. Kaioshin doesnt know about powersss. to yami yug guy.
Was Kaioshin about yo fight Gohan or something? He saw Gohan's power and had doubts if he can even control him with his magic. Unless I see a real good reason Pui Pui is as weak as you claim he is, I'll just believe Kaioshins Reaction.

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He sensed ssj2 gohans power , and after that he thinks pui pui is strong , so that means pui pui is stronger than ssj2 gohan. u see that doesnt make sense. he says goku is stronger than himself , remember! so why does he thinks that goku or vegeta cant beat pui pui ?
You might not get the point I wanted to make at first, I believe that Pui Pui>Kaioshin, I'm not saying he is stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, I'm saying that Kaioshin's feat or whatever you wanna call it leads me to believe that he is weaker than him. Get it now?

Kioashin isnt confdent of himself , he doesnt know how strong he or other guy is. look at the fight against buu , he would kill pui pui.
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So Kaioshin doesn't know how strong he is? And what about him against Buu? Mr Satan survived against Kid Buu's punch.
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