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Yusuke's Revised Revised Revised Revised PL's; How many lists has it been now?
Topic Started: May 8 2014, 03:44 AM (3,548 Views)
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Why is Hitler a 5?

EDIT: Also do you think Freeza was loosing badly to Goku?
Edited by StrawHatCrew, May 21 2014, 06:49 AM.
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IDK, we don't have much info on him lol.

I just rolled with the Daiz numbers for SSJ Goku and 100% Frieza.
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Son Gohan (Angry, 2nd Time): 1,370

Stated 1307.

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Nappa (Full Power): 6,500

Nappa should be a lot closer to Goku in my opinion. If Goku was that much stronger, he wouldn't have needed to counter Nappa's blast with a KHH. He could have punched it away in my opinion. Anyway, Goku pretty much declares that it would take forever without Kaioken.

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Goku (Full Power): 8,200
Goku: 8,350

Why did he get stronger? That also throws off your Kaioken levels.

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Kaioken x3: 25,050
Galick Gun: 30,000

These two should be equal in power. Neither pushed the other's back.

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Cui: 19,000

Stated 18k in the Daizenshuu.

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Zarbon (True Form): 27,000
Vegeta (2nd Zenkai): 30,000

Personally I would raise Zarbon. Vegeta was forced to kick sand in his eyes just to beat him.

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2nd Form Freeza (Full-Power): 1,700,000
3rd Form Freeza: 2,200,000

Don't you think this power up is pretty small? If this was the case, it could have been possible to team up against Freeza (going by Freeza's statement) and perhaps win. With Gohan constantly rising, and Vegeta there too, they may have tried something. As soon as Freeza transformed, the situation turned hopeless.

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Freeza (100%): 120,000,000

Disagree heavily with this, but you are entitled to use it.

Also you are missing a level for 70% Freeza.

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Mecha Freeza (100%): 150,000,000

Should be higher than Goku (Namek). He was confident on winning alone.

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SS Vegeta: 425,000,000
Android 18: (Not Trying): 430,000,000

18 never was trying against Vegeta, so her (not trying) level should be a lot higher. Her facial expression proves this.

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Imperfect Cell (Post Absorbing Humans): 1,750,000,000

Level for Cell after being hit by 16's blast? He was stated to significantly go down.

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Semi-Perfect Cell (Full Power): 2,750,000,000

Should be higher than SSJ Vegeta. Vegeta complimented his power.

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Piccolo (Without Weights): 1,755,000,000

About as strong as Imperfect Cell? Why? He was irrelevant at that time.

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Father-Son Kamehameha: 57,500,000,000
Solar Kamehameha: 115,000,000,000
Solar Kamehameha (Distracted by Vegeta): 40,000,000,000

I'm not a fan of this at all. The power shouldn't drop off like that. Anyway, if the blast was that strong, Gohan wouldn't be able to hold it back. Goku vs Vegeta proves this to us.


That's all I spotted.
Edited by SSJ, May 28 2014, 04:43 AM.
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Cui: 19,000
Stated 18k in the Daizenshuu.
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Freeza (100%): 120,000,000
Disagree heavily with this, but you are entitled to use it.

Hypocrisy? :x
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Cui: 19,000
Stated 18k in the Daizenshuu.
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May 28 2014, 04:38 AM
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Freeza (100%): 120,000,000
Disagree heavily with this, but you are entitled to use it.

Hypocrisy? :x
Cui is a case that makes sense though. The manga does back it up.

Chapter: 247 (DBZ 53), P15.4
Context: talking about Vegeta and Kui fighting
Zarbon (?): “Their abilities should be more or less equal, so no matter what happens Vegeta won’t get away unharmed.”
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Cui: 19,000
Stated 18k in the Daizenshuu.
Super Saiyan
May 28 2014, 04:38 AM
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Freeza (100%): 120,000,000
Disagree heavily with this, but you are entitled to use it.

Hypocrisy? :x
Cui is a case that makes sense though. The manga does back it up.

Chapter: 247 (DBZ 53), P15.4
Context: talking about Vegeta and Kui fighting
Zarbon (?): “Their abilities should be more or less equal, so no matter what happens Vegeta won’t get away unharmed.”

They haven't seen Vegeta for years though... and he specifically makes the point that he's been out on the battlefield getting stronger while Freeza's crew hasn't... so either Cui is 18k on Namek and Vegeta is stronger on Earth, of Vegeta is 18k on Earth and Cui is weaker than 18k on Namek.

....or Zarbon has been keeping an eye up Vegeta's power right up until the battle on Earth and is unaware of a Saiyan's ability to grow stronger after being beat to near-death.
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Son Gohan (Angry, 2nd Time): 1,370

Stated 1307.

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Nappa (Full Power): 6,500

Nappa should be a lot closer to Goku in my opinion. If Goku was that much stronger, he wouldn't have needed to counter Nappa's blast with a KHH. He could have punched it away in my opinion. Anyway, Goku pretty much declares that it would take forever without Kaioken.

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Goku (Full Power): 8,200
Goku: 8,350

Why did he get stronger? That also throws off your Kaioken levels.

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Kaioken x3: 25,050
Galick Gun: 30,000

These two should be equal in power. Neither pushed the other's back.

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Cui: 19,000

Stated 18k in the Daizenshuu.

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Zarbon (True Form): 27,000
Vegeta (2nd Zenkai): 30,000

Personally I would raise Zarbon. Vegeta was forced to kick sand in his eyes just to beat him.

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2nd Form Freeza (Full-Power): 1,700,000
3rd Form Freeza: 2,200,000

Don't you think this power up is pretty small? If this was the case, it could have been possible to team up against Freeza (going by Freeza's statement) and perhaps win. With Gohan constantly rising, and Vegeta there too, they may have tried something. As soon as Freeza transformed, the situation turned hopeless.

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Freeza (100%): 120,000,000

Disagree heavily with this, but you are entitled to use it.

Also you are missing a level for 70% Freeza.

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Mecha Freeza (100%): 150,000,000

Should be higher than Goku (Namek). He was confident on winning alone.

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SS Vegeta: 425,000,000
Android 18: (Not Trying): 430,000,000

18 never was trying against Vegeta, so her (not trying) level should be a lot higher. Her facial expression proves this.

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Imperfect Cell (Post Absorbing Humans): 1,750,000,000

Level for Cell after being hit by 16's blast? He was stated to significantly go down.

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Semi-Perfect Cell (Full Power): 2,750,000,000

Should be higher than SSJ Vegeta. Vegeta complimented his power.

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Piccolo (Without Weights): 1,755,000,000

About as strong as Imperfect Cell? Why? He was irrelevant at that time.

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Father-Son Kamehameha: 57,500,000,000
Solar Kamehameha: 115,000,000,000
Solar Kamehameha (Distracted by Vegeta): 40,000,000,000

I'm not a fan of this at all. The power shouldn't drop off like that. Anyway, if the blast was that strong, Gohan wouldn't be able to hold it back. Goku vs Vegeta proves this to us.


That's all I spotted.
- Typo

- I actually meant for Nappa to be 7,500 lol. Have no idea how I goofed off there.

- Typo

- Fixed

- Fixed

- Fixed

- Freeza was still at a level where he could easily beat any one on the battlefield.

- When did Freeza ever use 70% of his power?

- Mecha Freeza was only prepared to take out SSJ Namek Saga Goku with his Father.

- Fixed

- I guess he would be around the 600,000,000 mark since 17 thought he could take him. I'll add that in.

- I'll put him at 2,900,000,000 then.

- He got a fair amount stronger after the RoSaT. People usually place him higher than Semi-Perfect Cell here lol.

- Cell was most likely toying with Gohan here.

Tell me what you think of my Buu Saga PL's.
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Cui: 19,000
Stated 18k in the Daizenshuu.
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Freeza (100%): 120,000,000
Disagree heavily with this, but you are entitled to use it.

Hypocrisy? :x
Cui is a case that makes sense though. The manga does back it up.

Chapter: 247 (DBZ 53), P15.4
Context: talking about Vegeta and Kui fighting
Zarbon (?): “Their abilities should be more or less equal, so no matter what happens Vegeta won’t get away unharmed.”

They haven't seen Vegeta for years though... and he specifically makes the point that he's been out on the battlefield getting stronger while Freeza's crew hasn't... so either Cui is 18k on Namek and Vegeta is stronger on Earth, of Vegeta is 18k on Earth and Cui is weaker than 18k on Namek.

....or Zarbon has been keeping an eye up Vegeta's power right up until the battle on Earth and is unaware of a Saiyan's ability to grow stronger after being beat to near-death.
They were keeping an eye on him.

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), P3.2-6, P4.1-2
Context: Freeza, Zarbon and Dodoria discuss Vegeta’s battle power as he powers up against Kui. Zarbon’s scouter had exploded.
Zarbon: "I... I think it's a malfunction, but... My scouter was set on Vegeta, and as the figures surpassed twe... 22,000..."
Dodoria: “It’s definitely a malfunction! Your scouter’s an old model, after all. I’ll check out the correct figure off mine…”
Zarbon: “What’s the figure…?”
Dodoria: "Th... that's impossible... Is my new model malfunctioning too...?! It's risen to up to twe... 24,000... !!"
Zarbon: "24,000...?! Are you saying it's higher than o... our own battle powers...?!"
Dodoria: "Th... this can't be...!! H... his battle power was barely 18,000..."
Freeza: “That shouldn’t be a surprise. It’s all because Vegeta’s been ceaselessly fighting on the front lines. Perhaps he’s caught on to something new on Earth. It’s merely 24,000. That’s a figure that you two would be more than able to win against if you fought together, is it not? Fufufu…”

He makes it clear that he has been fighting while Cui has been sitting around, but that most likely is referring to the Earth battle. The battle on Earth is the only fight we know of that raised Vegeta's battle power so dramatically. I don't see either of those scenarios being necessary. Vegeta shouldn't be much above 18k at all considering that 16k Goku was able to challenge him. Cui can still be 18k because Vegeta's power increased on earth.





@ Yusuke: "When did Freeza ever use 70% of his power?"
Trusting this: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8391717&t=8329617

And I agree with most of your Boo arc levels, minus Kaioshin.
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Cui: 19,000
Stated 18k in the Daizenshuu.
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May 28 2014, 04:38 AM
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Freeza (100%): 120,000,000
Disagree heavily with this, but you are entitled to use it.

Hypocrisy? :x
Cui is a case that makes sense though. The manga does back it up.

Chapter: 247 (DBZ 53), P15.4
Context: talking about Vegeta and Kui fighting
Zarbon (?): “Their abilities should be more or less equal, so no matter what happens Vegeta won’t get away unharmed.”

They haven't seen Vegeta for years though... and he specifically makes the point that he's been out on the battlefield getting stronger while Freeza's crew hasn't... so either Cui is 18k on Namek and Vegeta is stronger on Earth, of Vegeta is 18k on Earth and Cui is weaker than 18k on Namek.

....or Zarbon has been keeping an eye up Vegeta's power right up until the battle on Earth and is unaware of a Saiyan's ability to grow stronger after being beat to near-death.
They were keeping an eye on him.

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), P3.2-6, P4.1-2
Context: Freeza, Zarbon and Dodoria discuss Vegeta’s battle power as he powers up against Kui. Zarbon’s scouter had exploded.
Zarbon: "I... I think it's a malfunction, but... My scouter was set on Vegeta, and as the figures surpassed twe... 22,000..."
Dodoria: “It’s definitely a malfunction! Your scouter’s an old model, after all. I’ll check out the correct figure off mine…”
Zarbon: “What’s the figure…?”
Dodoria: "Th... that's impossible... Is my new model malfunctioning too...?! It's risen to up to twe... 24,000... !!"
Zarbon: "24,000...?! Are you saying it's higher than o... our own battle powers...?!"
Dodoria: "Th... this can't be...!! H... his battle power was barely 18,000..."
Freeza: “That shouldn’t be a surprise. It’s all because Vegeta’s been ceaselessly fighting on the front lines. Perhaps he’s caught on to something new on Earth. It’s merely 24,000. That’s a figure that you two would be more than able to win against if you fought together, is it not? Fufufu…”

He makes it clear that he has been fighting while Cui has been sitting around, but that most likely is referring to the Earth battle. The battle on Earth is the only fight we know of that raised Vegeta's battle power so dramatically. I don't see either of those scenarios being necessary. Vegeta shouldn't be much above 18k at all considering that 16k Goku was able to challenge him. Cui can still be 18k because Vegeta's power increased on earth.
@Underlined: The sentence before it seems to indicate that there have been far more battles... and the actual underlined sentence could be in reference to his newly flaunted ability to hide his power... which he is in the process of displaying as they speak.

And didn't Vegeta "power up" post 16k Goku? Goku couldn't have been too much of a challenge if he was forced to attempt KKx3.
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I can back SS not wanting to have Freeza at 120,000,000 during his fight with Goku. I support the idea that Freeza never reclaimed his full strength after the intense Genkidama he had to endure, so giving him a bit less when fighting Goku is alright.
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Cui: 19,000
Stated 18k in the Daizenshuu.
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Freeza (100%): 120,000,000
Disagree heavily with this, but you are entitled to use it.

Hypocrisy? :x
Cui is a case that makes sense though. The manga does back it up.

Chapter: 247 (DBZ 53), P15.4
Context: talking about Vegeta and Kui fighting
Zarbon (?): “Their abilities should be more or less equal, so no matter what happens Vegeta won’t get away unharmed.”

They haven't seen Vegeta for years though... and he specifically makes the point that he's been out on the battlefield getting stronger while Freeza's crew hasn't... so either Cui is 18k on Namek and Vegeta is stronger on Earth, of Vegeta is 18k on Earth and Cui is weaker than 18k on Namek.

....or Zarbon has been keeping an eye up Vegeta's power right up until the battle on Earth and is unaware of a Saiyan's ability to grow stronger after being beat to near-death.
They were keeping an eye on him.

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), P3.2-6, P4.1-2
Context: Freeza, Zarbon and Dodoria discuss Vegeta’s battle power as he powers up against Kui. Zarbon’s scouter had exploded.
Zarbon: "I... I think it's a malfunction, but... My scouter was set on Vegeta, and as the figures surpassed twe... 22,000..."
Dodoria: “It’s definitely a malfunction! Your scouter’s an old model, after all. I’ll check out the correct figure off mine…”
Zarbon: “What’s the figure…?”
Dodoria: "Th... that's impossible... Is my new model malfunctioning too...?! It's risen to up to twe... 24,000... !!"
Zarbon: "24,000...?! Are you saying it's higher than o... our own battle powers...?!"
Dodoria: "Th... this can't be...!! H... his battle power was barely 18,000..."
Freeza: “That shouldn’t be a surprise. It’s all because Vegeta’s been ceaselessly fighting on the front lines. Perhaps he’s caught on to something new on Earth. It’s merely 24,000. That’s a figure that you two would be more than able to win against if you fought together, is it not? Fufufu…”

He makes it clear that he has been fighting while Cui has been sitting around, but that most likely is referring to the Earth battle. The battle on Earth is the only fight we know of that raised Vegeta's battle power so dramatically. I don't see either of those scenarios being necessary. Vegeta shouldn't be much above 18k at all considering that 16k Goku was able to challenge him. Cui can still be 18k because Vegeta's power increased on earth.
@Underlined: The sentence before it seems to indicate that there have been far more battles... and the actual underlined sentence could be in reference to his newly flaunted ability to hide his power... which he is in the process of displaying as they speak.

And didn't Vegeta "power up" post 16k Goku? Goku couldn't have been too much of a challenge if he was forced to attempt KKx3.

Sure there were more battles, but I am still in doubt that any of them were as significant as the Earth battle. Someone of Goku's power level was almost unheard of, which can be seen through Nappa's reaction to him. Judging by the fact that Nappa was so angry that Goku was at 8k, it is safe to say that they don't encounter people that strong very often.

Also I just saw this:

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), P1.1-4, P2.1-2
Context: Vegeta powers up until Kui’s scouter explodes.
Vegeta: “Take a goo—ood look at my battle power figure on your scouter!”
Kyui: “I'm…impossible…! We…we were supposed to be even in strength…!”
Vegeta: “You damn fool! I’ve been fighting ceaselessly in real battles! On Earth there was such a battle that I almost died! How long did you think we’d stay even as you stayed comfortable with Freeza?!”
Kyui: “19,000…20,000…21,000…22,000…!”

Cui begins to show fear once Vegeta powered up to 19k. I can't remember his exact facial expression, but I'm pretty sure he was shocked.

Actually Vegeta did power up after Goku used Kaioken.

Chapter: 229 (DBZ 35), P1.1
Narrator: “Vegeta's strength has greatly surpassed what Goku had figured on...! That power was such that not even the Kaio-Ken, which doubled Goku's battle power, could give Goku the upper hand... What will you do?! Goku!!"

Chapter: 229 (DBZ 35), P3.4, P4.2
Context: as Vegeta powers up
Goku: “What ki!!! It’s as if the entire Earth is trembling!!!”
Goku: “This is just like a typhoon…!!”

I'm not sure as to what this means in regards to this though.

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Sure there were more battles, but I am still in doubt that any of them were as significant as the Earth battle. Someone of Goku's power level was almost unheard of, which can be seen through Nappa's reaction to him. Judging by the fact that Nappa was so angry that Goku was at 8k, it is safe to say that they don't encounter people that strong very often.
A low class Saiyan of Goku's power level, who was, one year earlier, at sub-Raditz level, was unheard of**

Vegeta didn't participate at all on Earth until it was absolutely necessary... and yet he claims he has been "fighting ceaselessly in real battles!". I don't think he would consider what he did to the Saibaman that fought Tenshinhan as a "fighting" or even a "real battle"... so surely he's talking about actual opponents that were strong enough to make Nappa struggle... or at least approaching that level.

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May 28 2014, 05:22 AM
Also I just saw this:

Chapter: 249 (DBZ 55), P1.1-4, P2.1-2
Context: Vegeta powers up until Kui’s scouter explodes.
Vegeta: “Take a goo—ood look at my battle power figure on your scouter!”
Kyui: “I'm…impossible…! We…we were supposed to be even in strength…!”
Vegeta: “You damn fool! I’ve been fighting ceaselessly in real battles! On Earth there was such a battle that I almost died! How long did you think we’d stay even as you stayed comfortable with Freeza?!”
Kyui: “19,000…20,000…21,000…22,000…!”

Cui begins to show fear once Vegeta powered up to 19k. I can't remember his exact facial expression, but I'm pretty sure he was shocked.
Cui's definitely sub-19k... not arguing that.

But Cui's been keeping tabs on Vegeta too... and also stopped pre-Earth? Vegeta didn't seem to be so important to the entire Freeza crew that they'd all keep tabs on him...

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May 28 2014, 05:22 AM
Actually Vegeta did power up after Goku used Kaioken.

Chapter: 229 (DBZ 35), P1.1
Narrator: “Vegeta's strength has greatly surpassed what Goku had figured on...! That power was such that not even the Kaio-Ken, which doubled Goku's battle power, could give Goku the upper hand... What will you do?! Goku!!"

Chapter: 229 (DBZ 35), P3.4, P4.2
Context: as Vegeta powers up
Goku: “What ki!!! It’s as if the entire Earth is trembling!!!”
Goku: “This is just like a typhoon…!!”

I'm not sure as to what this means in regards to this though.
This was in regard to your point of 16k Goku being a "challenge" for 18k Vegeta. The point I was raising was that Vegeta powered up after that and forced Goku into attempting KKx3.


Think of it this way: If I said Vegeta was 19k on Earth, what would contradict that?
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@ Yusuke: "When did Freeza ever use 70% of his power?"
Trusting this: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8391717&t=8329617
Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P14.3
Context: after blasting Goku into the sea
Freeza: "Fu... fuhahahaha...!! You underestimated me!! Just so you know, that right now still wasn't my full power!! It was only about 70 percent..."
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Chapter: 330 (DBZ 136), P13.3-4
Cold: "The Earthlings don't matter, but the Super Saiyan alone we absolutely must exterminate, by any means. The one who holds the greatest power in the universe must without a doubt be our clan"
Freeza: "We can definitely defeat him if we go at him together, Papa. And I've powered up too, so I think I can probably go alone."

With King Cold he wins for sure, but he also thinks he can go on his own (maybe just not a guaranteed win like it would be with King Cold).
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