Ssj multiplier decreasing

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Ssj multiplier decreasing
Tweet Topic Started: May 5 2014, 04:30 AM (1,740 Views)
+ Ssj3vegito96	May 5 2014, 05:36 PM Post #16
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Also, the fact that kaioken is stated to increase abilities linearly means KKx10>ssj if it were a 10x
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AA500	May 5 2014, 05:46 PM Post #17
Posts: 2,079 Group: Member Member #9,363 Joined: April 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified	Ssj3vegito96 May 5 2014, 04:30 AM They would barely be getting stronger if at all if the multiplier got smaller Not really, their base form gets a lot more powerful too, thus allowing smaller multipliers to be effective



+ Ssj3vegito96	May 5 2014, 05:49 PM Post #18
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	But there's no evidence of the multiplier getting smaller and there is evidence supporting a 50x multiplier
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+ Yusuke	May 5 2014, 05:53 PM Post #19
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Ssj3vegito96 May 5 2014, 05:32 PM Yusuke Urameshi May 5 2014, 05:18 PM Ssj3vegito96 May 5 2014, 05:09 PM Toriyama was mistaken then. How is it possible that goku got any less than 40x stronger? Because it can happen, what is their to counter it? SSJ wasn't really special after the RoSaT anyway. Their were other forms like SSJ2 and SSJ3 taking the spotlight from it so I don't see why SSJ should be a ridiculous amount stronger than SSJ2 and SSJ3. It can't happen. Goku was using using kaioken x20 and it didn't do much to 50% frieza, or at least not as much ssj goku was doing. Ssj not being special anymore doesn't make a difference The thing is, Kaioken X (inser number here) is irrelevant at this point of time because Kaioken is a inferior power up that puts strain on the user where as MSSJ doesn't. And like I said a zillion times before, Goku got SSJ2 relatively quickly after the Cell Arc so why would he need to bother with something like Kaioken? Throw that in with Toriyama's statement and SSJ decreasing is just as likely as it staying 50X Base. Kapeesh? Don't assert 50X Base is the only viable option.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	May 5 2014, 06:00 PM Post #20
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Kaioken puts strain on the users body but that doesn't mean it's a weaker power up, it just means there's more disadvantages to it. I literally can't think of any good evidence that the multiplier gets smaller. They get a lot of stronger as the series goes on so smaller multipliers are still effective but that's not proof that actually did get smaller Edited by Ssj3vegito96, May 5 2014, 06:12 PM.
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Beerus	May 5 2014, 06:16 PM Post #21
Posts: 124 Group: Member Member #10,497 Joined: November 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Is there a single statement in the manga that references a decrease? I'm pretty sure there isn't.



+ Yusuke	May 5 2014, 06:21 PM Post #22
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Ssj3vegito96 May 5 2014, 06:00 PM Kaioken puts strain on the users body but that doesn't mean it's a weaker power up, it just means there's more disadvantages to it. I literally can't think of any good evidence that the multiplier gets smaller. They get a lot of stronger as the series goes on so smaller multipliers are still effective but that's not proof that actually did get smaller The problem here is that IT CAN'T BE USED AS EFFECTIVELY AS SSJ!!!!! I'm saying that SSJ getting smaller is just as viable as SSJ staying 50X Base with AT himself not envisioning the boost as 50X Base. I'm A-Okay with other people using 50X Base just don't heckle me and tell me i'm wrong for not using such multiplier when both are equally valid.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	May 5 2014, 06:35 PM Post #23
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I know it can't. I guess I'm alright using other multipliers but as long as there's evidence for them otherwise what's the point?
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+ Yusuke	May 5 2014, 06:57 PM Post #24
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Well, what evidence is their for SSJ still being 50X Base post-Frieza Saga outside SEG? Edited by Yusuke, May 5 2014, 06:58 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	May 5 2014, 07:04 PM Post #25
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	There is none but there's nothing saying it got lower
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* Ketchup Revenge	May 5 2014, 07:17 PM Post #26
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Ssj3vegito96 May 5 2014, 05:09 PM Toriyama was mistaken then. How is it possible that goku got any less than 40x stronger? There's nothing to even suggest he was that strong to begin with. Freeza got weaker after he got hit with the Genki Dama. His then "50%" most likely wasn't at 60,000,000, like he was before. Just say he got 10x stronger with Super Saiyan, his Kamehameha amp on top of that could bump him higher for all we know. We've seen Goku able to amp his Kamehameha before when he fought Raditz, what makes us think that him reaching Super Saiyan overrides that ability? Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 5 2014, 07:18 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	May 5 2014, 07:20 PM Post #27
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	He still did better against frieza as a ssj than he did with KKx20
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Beerus	May 5 2014, 07:28 PM Post #28
Posts: 124 Group: Member Member #10,497 Joined: November 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	There is nothing saying it got lower. That would be like saying Krillin could beat Frieza by EOZ just because nothing says he couldn't.



* Ketchup Revenge	May 5 2014, 07:30 PM Post #29
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Ssj3vegito96 May 5 2014, 07:20 PM He still did better against frieza as a ssj than he did with KKx20 Yea, but that's only because Freeza probably wasn't 60,000,000 after he got hit with the Genki Dama. And as I stated, Goku has an amp for his Kamehameha. For example, say Freeza's post Genki Dama 50% got knocked down to 40,000,000 (he lost a third of his power). His 100% isn't going to be 120,000,000 like the guides suggest, it's only going to be 80,000,000. Since Goku wasn't injured, his deteriorated condition in base wouldn't effect his potential ki output in Super Saiyan. Goku's SSj would still put him at 30,000,000, despite him being weakened from tossing the Genki Dama. From what we see from Raditz's fight, Goku's able to amp his Kamehehameha close to 2.5x. Goku's Super Saiyan on top of his Kamehameha amp would put his Kamehameha at 70,000,000. This seems to support the fact that Freeza at 100% was able to push Goku's Kamehameha back, and from the simple example that I used, Freeza's only at 80,000,000. Every time Goku pushes Freeza in the fight back he's using kiai, which is suggested to be stronger than regular ki attacks considering that Goku was able to catch Freeza off guard with one in base when he fought him earlier. Not to mention that the Kikoho is simply a highly concentrated kiai and that attack is considerably more powerful than any other attack that we see in the series. The numbers add up if you consider the probability that Freeza was weakened from before. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 5 2014, 07:35 PM.
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+ Saiyan Paladin	May 5 2014, 07:40 PM Post #30
Posts: 1,920 Group: Elite Member Member #10,232 Joined: September 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Kai, Yu Yu Hakusho What Browser do you use? Firefox, Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Berserk	So how does SSj Goku @ 30,000,000 start beating Freeza @ 80,000,000 in Hand-to-hand later in the fight?



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