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Tweet Topic Started: May 5 2014, 01:54 AM (2,234 Views)
lazerbem	May 5 2014, 01:54 AM Post #1
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	What do you think of his power levels? I think they are okay up until the Buu Saga, then he gets wonky. Also with Broly
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 5 2014, 02:36 AM Post #2
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I'm not a fan personally. I've never taken too kindly the drop of a SSJ multiplier. I tried it once, and Oozaru being as strong or stronger than SSJ just rubs me the wrong way. We also have the issue with Kaioken soooooooo.... There's also a number of mistakes made by him. For example, Gohan is a SSJ2 in movie 10 and Buff Buu is not weaker than Evil Buu.
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lazerbem	May 5 2014, 03:02 AM Post #3
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:36 AM I'm not a fan personally. I've never taken too kindly the drop of a SSJ multiplier. I tried it once, and Oozaru being as strong or stronger than SSJ just rubs me the wrong way. We also have the issue with Kaioken soooooooo.... There's also a number of mistakes made by him. For example, Gohan is a SSJ2 in movie 10 and Buff Buu is not weaker than Evil Buu. The thing with Gohan is because he thinks that Gohan's hair is not a good example of him being SSJ2 and has said many times that Gohan wasn't SSJ2 As for SSJ, it's probably because of Base Goku=800 kiri SSJ Goku=3,000 kiri Edited by lazerbem, May 5 2014, 03:03 AM.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 5 2014, 03:17 AM Post #4
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	lazerbem May 5 2014, 03:02 AM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:36 AM I'm not a fan personally. I've never taken too kindly the drop of a SSJ multiplier. I tried it once, and Oozaru being as strong or stronger than SSJ just rubs me the wrong way. We also have the issue with Kaioken soooooooo.... There's also a number of mistakes made by him. For example, Gohan is a SSJ2 in movie 10 and Buff Buu is not weaker than Evil Buu. The thing with Gohan is because he thinks that Gohan's hair is not a good example of him being SSJ2 and has said many times that Gohan wasn't SSJ2 As for SSJ, it's probably because of Base Goku=800 kiri SSJ Goku=3,000 kiri His multiplier is 7 times base, and he's not even under the impression that he's suppressed. He ignores the Kiri reading altogether.
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+ Yusuke	May 5 2014, 03:24 AM Post #5
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	V1089 knows me pretty well on YT. I like his hypothetical versus fights and some of his PL's though I do disagree with some things he has. Overall, I think people need to give him a break when it comes to a lot of things. Sure, he believes Gohan was an SSJ in M10 but so do a lot of people. There's plenty of arguments for that even though I don't believe it myself. Also the fanboys that piss him off for making Goku lose to PC Superman. I wonder how he retains his sanity after dealing with all those people. The SSJ multiplier decreasing isn't a problem. I use a 5X SSJ multiplier from when Vegeta and Trunks leave the RoSaT to the end of the series. It works great for me espically since I believe Base Saiyans > Kaioshin > Piccolo. Edited by Yusuke, May 5 2014, 03:24 AM.
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AA500	May 5 2014, 03:24 AM Post #6
Posts: 2,079 Group: Member Member #9,363 Joined: April 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified	The style of his videos are pretty good and well edited. I do agree that his Boo Saga numbers aren't too great



+ Yusuke	May 5 2014, 03:27 AM Post #7
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	And the Buu Saga is the epitome of controversy when it comes to DBZ debates. Some people believe SSJ3 Goku to not be far behind SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan while others believe Base Gotenks Post > SSJ Gotenks Pre > SSJ3 Goku.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 5 2014, 03:36 AM Post #8
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	It's not that minor multipliers don't work with scaling, it's just that the Oozaru form and Kaioken are stronger than SSJ with such a multiplier. That just bugs me personally.
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+ Yusuke	May 5 2014, 03:59 AM Post #9
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 03:36 AM It's not that minor multipliers don't work with scaling, it's just that the Oozaru form and Kaioken are stronger than SSJ with such a multiplier. That just bugs me personally. But neither of those two were ever useful in terms of plot. Kaioken was irrelevant because of the strain it brought (not to mention Goku got SSJ2 almost immediately after the Cell Arc so Kaioken is pretty much a waster of time at this point). Oozaru can't be used with the Saiyan's losing their tails so I wouldn't consider that much.
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Vertical	May 5 2014, 06:20 AM Post #10
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	I got about halfway through the Cell Arc video... can't say I agree with much at all. Once I saw Kamicolo's levels I closed the video. A lot of effort and not enough thought... as with most things.
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+ Yusuke	May 5 2014, 06:28 AM Post #11
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	That's one thing that irked me, i'll admit that. I also don't like how he has Kamicollo so low and as well as 16 and Cell despite Cell tanking Piccolo's blast like it was nothing. Also don't like how he has 19 and 20 Post lower than SSJ Trunks @his debut when that contrdicts what was shown in the manga. Lastly, he has Super #13 > #16 which the Daiz says otherwise. Edited by Yusuke, May 5 2014, 06:43 AM.
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lazerbem	May 5 2014, 02:20 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Yusuke Urameshi May 5 2014, 06:28 AM That's one thing that irked me, i'll admit that. I also don't like how he has Kamicollo so low and as well as 16 and Cell despite Cell tanking Piccolo's blast like it was nothing. Also don't like how he has 19 and 20 Post lower than SSJ Trunks @his debut when that contrdicts what was shown in the manga. Lastly, he has Super #13 > #16 which the Daiz says otherwise. Ironically though, in his 13 vs 16 fight, he has 16 winning via self destruct hax
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+ Yusuke	May 5 2014, 04:06 PM Post #13
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	lazerbem May 5 2014, 02:20 PM Yusuke Urameshi May 5 2014, 06:28 AM That's one thing that irked me, i'll admit that. I also don't like how he has Kamicollo so low and as well as 16 and Cell despite Cell tanking Piccolo's blast like it was nothing. Also don't like how he has 19 and 20 Post lower than SSJ Trunks @his debut when that contrdicts what was shown in the manga. Lastly, he has Super #13 > #16 which the Daiz says otherwise. Ironically though, in his 13 vs 16 fight, he has 16 winning via self destruct hax Yeah, 16 wouldn't need to take the risk of self-destructing if he's already stronger than Super 13. Maybe a better ending to the fight would be for 16 to use the HF on Super 13.
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* Ketchup Revenge	May 5 2014, 04:40 PM Post #14
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:36 AM I'm not a fan personally. I've never taken too kindly the drop of a SSJ multiplier. I tried it once, and Oozaru being as strong or stronger than SSJ just rubs me the wrong way. We also have the issue with Kaioken soooooooo.... There's also a number of mistakes made by him. For example, Gohan is a SSJ2 in movie 10 and Buff Buu is not weaker than Evil Buu. I actually agree with this. I don't put much merit into any type of multiplier because it flies directly in the face of what we know about Saiyan battle power, which is the fact that their power can't be calculated on a linear scale. Vegeta may be arrogant and proud, but he's never lied about Saiyan abilities. There's no reason to believe that what he said to Gero about Saiyan powers not being able to be calculated, is false, and the evidence of Gero not being able to calculate Goku's power growth correctly really supports this. Also Toriyama in an interview said that even if the official number stated is 50x, he only drew the Super Saiyan to look like 10x. However, either way, Super Saiyan is drawn out from someone's latent ki reserve, and everyone's reserve is different. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 5 2014, 04:42 PM.
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lazerbem	May 5 2014, 06:08 PM Post #15
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	The Assassin May 5 2014, 04:40 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:36 AM I'm not a fan personally. I've never taken too kindly the drop of a SSJ multiplier. I tried it once, and Oozaru being as strong or stronger than SSJ just rubs me the wrong way. We also have the issue with Kaioken soooooooo.... There's also a number of mistakes made by him. For example, Gohan is a SSJ2 in movie 10 and Buff Buu is not weaker than Evil Buu. I actually agree with this. I don't put much merit into any type of multiplier because it flies directly in the face of what we know about Saiyan battle power, which is the fact that their power can't be calculated on a linear scale. Vegeta may be arrogant and proud, but he's never lied about Saiyan abilities. There's no reason to believe that what he said to Gero about Saiyan powers not being able to be calculated, is false, and the evidence of Gero not being able to calculate Goku's power growth correctly really supports this. Also Toriyama in an interview said that even if the official number stated is 50x, he only drew the Super Saiyan to look like 10x. However, either way, Super Saiyan is drawn out from someone's latent ki reserve, and everyone's reserve is different. Nope, he has lied before. He said that self inflicted zenkais don't work, something Goku proved wrong. He also said that Oozaru incresed power by 10x, yet gets his eye ripped out by Base Goku
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