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May 3 2014, 10:13 PM Post #1 |
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How strong are they like krillin tien and yamcha in cell saga and buu saga. |
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| + Yusuke | May 3 2014, 10:15 PM Post #2 |
 
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I have them floating around the mid-low Millions in the Cell and Buu arcs. |
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May 3 2014, 10:20 PM Post #3 |
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Tien is strongest humand and he used tri beam agiant Cell remember. Tien should be above frieza and krillin had guru unlock so he rivals Tien and both are above Frieza. i dont know about yamcha he didn't really do anything . |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 3 2014, 10:21 PM Post #4 |
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I don't have them that strong, to be entirely honest, but Toriyama did say in an interview in "Super Exciting Guide" (or something) that Krillin was the strongest human by the end of the series (of course this excludes Oob). I agree that this doesn't make sense considering that Tenshinhan is the only one of the three humans who keeps training, but that's what he said. Considering that none of them did any serious training past the Cell Arc (albeit Tenshinhan), I think they're lucky if they got above Base Goku in the Freeza Arc, which the Daizenshuu number for him against Freeza (pre Super Saiyan) 3,000,000. Of course Tenshinhan's Kikoho (Tri Beam) is a different case. That attack itself is amplified well beyond any other known attacks, aside from perhaps the Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb). Not to mention that when he attacks Boo during the Boo arc in the manga, that Boo said "That guy is quite a master". I used to think that it was impossible for humans to get above 1,000,000 (because logically, it doesn't make sense), but I give them some lee-way because they did train intensely for 3 years before the Cell arc, and Tenshinhan just kept training even after that, even if he also farmed on the side (also stated in an interview with Toriyama). But we also need to consider that just because you train doesn't simply mean that you will gain power. Piccolo trained for 5 years after Dragon Ball, and he was still inferior to Goku at the beginning of DBZ, who barely trained at all in that time. Piccolo's training seemed to primarily focus on improving his ki skill, and not increasing his over-all power. We can't assume that any of the other characters trained simply to gain power as well. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 3 2014, 10:42 PM.
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| EMIYA | May 3 2014, 10:22 PM Post #5 |
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Oh no...we've go the Tenshinhan>Krillin thing going on here. AT specifically states that Krillin is the strongest human by the EOZ and this is a guy who literally stopped training once the Boo Arc came around. Of course AT also said Bidid, creator of Boo, did not create Boo so at this point should I really care about anything AT says? |
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| SSJ | May 3 2014, 10:27 PM Post #6 |
 
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Battle of Gods also says Krillin is the strongest human. No more than 3 million. |
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May 3 2014, 10:33 PM Post #7 |
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tien trains all the time he got the tri beam in his pocket and he fights when he wants , how can krillin be stronger. look Krillin is my 2nd favorite character but he cant reach tiens bulky muscles level. it doesnt make sense. AT forgot tien and krillin is shown more thats all. thats why krillin is strongest human. |
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| SSJ | May 3 2014, 10:34 PM Post #8 |
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Ten training means nothing. What does the Shin Kikoho had pave to do with anything? It doesn't affect his power level whatsoever. Edited by SSJ, May 3 2014, 10:35 PM.
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| lazerbem | May 3 2014, 10:36 PM Post #9 |
 
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I have them fairly high, Yamcha is about 50% Freeza, Tien and Krillin are about 100,000,000. I know it's really high, but yeah |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 3 2014, 10:37 PM Post #10 |
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We're not disagreeing with you, it's just that's what Toriyama has said, several times during different interviews. And the Tri Beam doesn't make him stronger. The attack is ridiculously amped to begin with. It's pretty much all the ki in your body and focused into a tight area. The result is an enormous force that goes well beyond your own ability. We know this doesn't make sense because of the fact that Tenshinhan kept training, and Krillin didn't. Not everyone agrees with what he said about Krillin, because he's gone back on several things that have been true before. An interview with him was JUST released where he says that Boo has always existed since the beginning of time, where in the actual story that he wrote when he did the manga, he said that Bibidi created him. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 3 2014, 10:45 PM.
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May 3 2014, 10:46 PM Post #11 |
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rofl training means anything. how can tri beam not affect his power level? im not arguing with you. |
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| SSJ | May 3 2014, 10:49 PM Post #12 |
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If you can prove to me that training gains are linear and consistent than I may consider what you're saying. The Shin Kikoho is an extension or an amplifier of his power, it is unrelated to his base power. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 3 2014, 10:51 PM Post #13 |
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I think what Super Saiyan meant to say is that it doesn't effect his ki (energy) level. Ki level and power level aren't necessarily the same thing. When Tenshinhan forms the Tri Beam, he himself doesn't become as strong as the Tri Beam. The concentrated energy is where the power comes from, not the amount of energy in it. However, amping an attack by concentrating the ki into a single point is different than simply increasing your ki (powering up), even if it produces the same effect for your attacks. So if Tenshinan's regular powerlevel is 2,000,000, he can amp his Tri Beam power to 100,000,000 by concentrating the ki in it. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 3 2014, 10:52 PM.
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May 3 2014, 10:55 PM Post #14 |
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you have some knowledge about dbz , so i discuss with you. i agree with tri beam thing. but doesnt the humans get stronger when they arrive to fight the androids. I remember goku letting tien back off and go along , so tien thought he could fight along with goku. im sure krillin would do the same. he had potential unlock. and i changed my mind and say Krillin is stronger than Tien. I like Krillin more anyways. |
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| SSJ | May 3 2014, 10:58 PM Post #15 |
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That's pretty invalid. Krillin also went to the Cell Games despite knowing that even Goku would probably lose. The humans show up because they are brave, not because they are powerful. |
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