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Last Akira Toriyama Interview Discussion
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+ Emmeth	May 4 2014, 05:17 PM Post #31
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	The whole 'can still get stronger' deal could blow up a whole lot in discussion
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+ Kaboom	May 4 2014, 05:22 PM Post #32
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	I guess the question now becomes "DID they get any stronger?" That has the potential to change a lot of views on stuff in the Boo arc as well.



+ Clearin	May 4 2014, 05:31 PM Post #33
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	So it's finally confirmed by the man himself that they can get stronger. I've always brought it up as a possibility and usually get shot down for saying it.



Android17fan	May 4 2014, 08:21 PM Post #34
Posts: 125 Group: Member Member #10,490 Joined: November 15, 2013	Vertical May 4 2014, 11:22 AM Spoiler: click to toggle Android 17′s real name is Lapis, while Android 18 is Lazuli. They were human siblings before becoming Androids. After the Cell Saga, Android 17 was revived with the Dragon Balls and became a park ranger at a nature preserve. He makes a great living, marries a zoologist, and adopts two children. Of course, we all know Android 18 marries Kuririn after the Cell Saga and has a daughter named Marron. At last Some info about 17. I am suprised that he is a Park Ranger but he may be doing it to honor Android 16's death. And I am not sure wether to laugh or to cry about his real name



Nanho	May 5 2014, 01:11 AM Post #35
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Why is he almost never asked good questions..u know, like questions that are about conflicting subjects; Like questions that deal with: 1/Is Kid buu weaker than super buu? This one is confusing for many even more so because of the anime. All the saga have a simple sequence of baddies from weak to strong; Raditz<Nappa<Vegeta. But when we get to kid buu this all seems to change in the manga, while the anime seems to continue with the same sequence. whats with the supposedly mix up? Was the way the anime ended actually akiras idea? Is the manga just very vague around that point and so easily misinterpreted by many fans? 2/ Why hasn't vegeta's tail grow back? If he got it permanently removed, why the hell would he?? 3/ Was gohan ssj2 or 1 when he fought dabura. If he was ssj2 wheres the lighting to signify it? If he was ssj1, was he being a dumb a* and holding in back? or did he forget how to transform? if he forgot, then explain what happen just a few scenes back at the tournament? 4/ Did most of the fillers happened the way he wanted? if not, which ones did he not agree with? Questions like those, ! I have a couple more, but I'll stop here for now. Edited by Nanho**, May 5 2014, 03:05 AM.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	May 5 2014, 01:53 AM Post #36
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	nice clearin, and for all those saying AT is a crazy kook and his new stuff sucks so it really was 17 giving goku is ki ey they do seems like ranger/hiking clothes to me Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, May 5 2014, 01:54 AM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 5 2014, 02:40 AM Post #37
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	If they can get stronger, they can get weaker too. That means Future 17 and 18 being weaker makes sense since they never train and just play around.
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Vertical	May 5 2014, 06:14 AM Post #38
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:40 AM If they can get stronger, they can get weaker too. That means Future 17 and 18 being weaker makes sense since they never train and just play around. This is not at all the case. "They can train to get stronger" does not mean "they can get weaker".... they could only lose strength gained... not given. If they had trained their way to the levels we saw in the Android Arc then sure.... but good luck convincing people of that.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 5 2014, 02:55 PM Post #39
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu.
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EMIYA	May 5 2014, 04:01 PM Post #40
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I need to go and keep ranting about some more things. I just noticed this. Quote: Goku endlessly keeps getting stronger, with Super Saiyan 3 in the manga and Super Saiyan 4 in the anime; does Super Saiyan keep getting limitlessly stronger too? Might we eventually see things such as a Super Saiyan 5…?! Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more. Alright firstly Toriyama that makes no sense. Unless the SSJ form is useful enough in situations, you're obviously going to want to use forms that are superior to SSJ as you say, powered up versions of Super Saiyan. More importantly, perhaps you should go back and read your own manga because you did have Goku master Super Saiyan. That was the whole business during the Cell Arc in the ROSAT. SSJ2 was created because it was a superior form to SSJ. Again, we established this whole, Super Saiyan is the ideal state to be in, that one should be mastered so that it saps less strength. Yes, do you not realize that this has been done? Fighting Budlight did not tell Goku this, Goku learned this a long time ago. Instead perhaps Goku should master SSJ3, the form that is the superior one but obviously has some major flaws that if fixed, would make for a very good form. If your SSj3 form is getting beat, its not like dropping down to the SSJ form is going to make things any better. But no Goku needs to master a form he has already mastered. Like turning on the oven and putting the pizza in the microwave. Can you get any more pointless? Are you trying to contradict every single thing in your own manga now?



+ Clearin	May 5 2014, 04:25 PM Post #41
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Father Brofist May 5 2014, 04:01 PM I need to go and keep ranting about some more things. I just noticed this. Quote: Goku endlessly keeps getting stronger, with Super Saiyan 3 in the manga and Super Saiyan 4 in the anime; does Super Saiyan keep getting limitlessly stronger too? Might we eventually see things such as a Super Saiyan 5…?! Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more. Alright firstly Toriyama that makes no sense. Unless the SSJ form is useful enough in situations, you're obviously going to want to use forms that are superior to SSJ as you say, powered up versions of Super Saiyan. More importantly, perhaps you should go back and read your own manga because you did have Goku master Super Saiyan. That was the whole business during the Cell Arc in the ROSAT. SSJ2 was created because it was a superior form to SSJ. Again, we established this whole, Super Saiyan is the ideal state to be in, that one should be mastered so that it saps less strength. Yes, do you not realize that this has been done? Fighting Budlight did not tell Goku this, Goku learned this a long time ago. Instead perhaps Goku should master SSJ3, the form that is the superior one but obviously has some major flaws that if fixed, would make for a very good form. If your SSj3 form is getting beat, its not like dropping down to the SSJ form is going to make things any better. But no Goku needs to master a form he has already mastered. Like turning on the oven and putting the pizza in the microwave. Can you get any more pointless? Are you trying to contradict every single thing in your own manga now? I don't think Toriyama meant mastering Super Saiyan in the same way Goku did in the Cell saga. After all, he also says Goku will "master his normal state".



+ Kaboom	May 5 2014, 04:27 PM Post #42
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	He's also talking about "after the battle with Beerus," so Goku's power getting all enhanced and changed around by Super Saiyan God probably has a lot to do with it.



Vertical	May 5 2014, 08:15 PM Post #43
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Post #44
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0.
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Vertical	May 5 2014, 08:30 PM Post #45
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 08:16 PM Vertical May 5 2014, 08:15 PM ThePrinceOfSaiyajins May 5 2014, 02:55 PM That is the case. If people can train to increase their power, laziness can force a drop. Gohan is proof of this, and this tidbit of information at least makes sense of what is stated by both Trunks and the Daizenshuu. I think you missed my point... I agree that if you can train to increase your power then slacking off would decrease it... but my point was you can't go below a starting point. So, unless you believe that Androids trained their way to their Android Arc level, they cannot drop below it. Since when is that a rule? The only rule I know of is that you cannot drop to 0. That's my point. Their zero is their Android Arc starting point.
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