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May 2 2014, 07:04 PM Post #1 |
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Goku,kullin & Piccollo VS Vegeta,Freiza & Ginyu. Which team wins?All have equall power levels. |
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| lazerbem | May 2 2014, 07:45 PM Post #2 |
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Krillin is a weak link, but so is Ginyu. Is Freeza in 100%? If he's not, he stands a very good chance with his psychic abilites and what not. Ginyu's Body Change will also be devastating, allowing him to cripple his foes while his allies cover him |
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| + Emmeth | May 2 2014, 08:15 PM Post #3 |
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equal power levels? Freeza, always. |
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| lunar2 | May 2 2014, 08:15 PM Post #4 |
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ginyu only uses body change against opponents stronger than himself. if we are breaking character, then krillin and goku are both capable of solar flare + kienzan combos. and since two of the three bad guys can't sense ki, they'll be completely helpless before that onslaught. also, any equal powered opponent vs. piccolo = win for piccolo. higher than normal speed gives him a straight up combat advantage, and SBC is meant to be an assassination technique. it's too fast to dodge at equal power levels, and since he won't need as much power, he won't have to charge it so long. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| lazerbem | May 2 2014, 09:05 PM Post #5 |
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Ginyu would pull a Body Change whenever he's outmatched, which he is in this fight. It would cripple both fighters, but that's a wild card Anyway, Piccolo is not quite that good. Travel speed is not combat speed, Ginyu showed this with Burter. Ginyu was matching Goku in physical combat speed wise, but after switching bodies with him, Ginyu comments that Goku's body is faster while they are flying. Travel speed isn't that important in a fight. As for SBC, there is a counter for that on the other team. Death Beam from Freeza is basically the same as SBC, considering that Freeza, who knew he was outmatched, was shocked that SSJ Goku could dodge his Death Beams. The fact that Freeza can spam them with fairly good aim makes it a better assassination tool than SBC |
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| lunar2 | May 2 2014, 11:29 PM Post #6 |
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the death beam is not an SBC counterpart. it is a dodon ray counterpart. it's much weaker than the SBC, which is why it can be spam fired. the SBC is like the piercing version of the final flash, the death beam/dodon ray is the piercing version of the kamehameha. i wasn't referring to travel speed, btw. when frieza transforms to 3rd form, piccolo, despite knowing frieza is more powerful, thinks he is faster, until frieza demonstrates he also has higher than normal speed. of course, that reminds me that frieza also has that high speed trait, so piccolo and frieza do cancel out somewhat. ginyu is not outmatched, as long as everyone is in character. he's just as powerful as the others, and as he demonstrated against goku, he is a very skilled opponent. so yeah, as long as everyone stays in character, i think this is a good fight that could go either way. neither side really has a weak link, and while the z fighter side has somewhat of a tactical advantage, due to their ability to sense and their experience fighting with and against each other, i don't think that, on its own, is enough to say they would definitely win. if this is an OOC fight, where everyone uses their abilities to the fulles extent, i give this to the z fighters every time. solar flare + kienzan spam FTW. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| lazerbem | May 3 2014, 12:05 AM Post #7 |
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If we're going to have an OOC fight, the Freeza team could just have Freeza spam Death Saucers all day Anyway, yes, I overall agree with you. This is a good fight, however, I think that the Goku team will win slightly more often due to more skill in general, but Vegeta has shown himself to equal Goku in that regard and Freeza and Ginyu This really depends on which form Freeza is in, if it's his First Form, he won't have much strain as compared to his later forms |
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| lunar2 | May 3 2014, 01:06 AM Post #8 |
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honestly, anything except 100% shouldn't be a problem for frieza. he stated that the reason he transforms is not to conserve energy, but because he's so powerful it's difficult to control. apparently he's grown up enough since the last time he transformed that that's not an issue any more, since he didn't show any difficulties even in his final form. and yes, i think frieza is still a kid. king cold is an example of what a final form adult looks like. |
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| AA500 | May 3 2014, 02:04 AM Post #9 |
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So ya think Freeza would grow way bigger and grow horns and what not in his true form after he matures or grows through puberty or whatever? I could see that. |
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| lunar2 | May 3 2014, 03:07 AM Post #10 |
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it makes sense. 1. if king cold could have transformed, he would have. 2. king cold really doesn't look much like second form frieza despite being big and having horns. for example, he doesn't have the scale patterns on the arms, or the chestplate that extends over the shoulders. what we see of his body looks like a bigger, more muscular version of final form frieza. so yeah, i think frieza is probably the equivalent of a 9 or 10 year old. mentally developed enough to make and execute the complex plans needed to run a business, but prone to temper tantrums because he hasn't yet learned self control, and still doesn't show any adult sexual characteristics, like the horns. although cooler isn't canon, i tend to include him in my theory just so we have a slightly bigger pool of icers to work with. i don't include chilled, because he wasn't created by akira toriyama, nor do i include kuriza, since he is a parody character. cooler is taller and more muscular than frieza, with a slightly bulging head, like maybe he's about to sprout horns. he also seems a bit calmer, and his mannerisms are more masculine. i'd put cooler anywhere from the equivalent of 11-13. he's right on the cusp of puberty. |
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| DSTREET45 | May 3 2014, 03:13 AM Post #11 |
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Hard to call since everyone here is a high tier character in skill. But I'd say team one scrapes for the win. Piccolo with any competent fighter is a force to be reckoned with and both fighters on his team are more than competent. But then again the same could be said with team two. However everyone on team one could sense ki which gives them the upper hand. Any slight lead is enough to tip the scales and sensing ki is a heavy enough advantage. |
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| lazerbem | May 3 2014, 03:16 AM Post #12 |
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Chilled actually makes sense. He's a primitive version of the race, maybe back then, even full grown, that race was tiny? |
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| lunar2 | May 3 2014, 04:24 AM Post #13 |
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the episode of bardock storyline is completely incompatible with the dragonball universe. 1. time travel to the past does not send you back in the same timeline. it creates a new, alternate timeline and shunts you off to that. so nothing bardock did could have affected the series, so he could not be the origin of the super saiyan legend. 2. the fluid in the healing tanks takes hours to work, but is supposed to be the same as what was on planet plant, that acted more like a sensu bean, with nearly instant healing. 3. the entire planet plant thing is non canon. the saiyan homeworld is never named in the manga, but we are indirectly told its name. the saiyans are actually the saiya-jin, which means the people from planet saiya. similarly, the namekuseijin are the people from planet namek. and earthlings are chikyujin, according to google translate. 4. frieza didn't believe the super saiyan legend. he states the reason he destroyed the saiyan homeworld. it was because the saiyans were a prideful race, and would not submit if they felt they were powerful enough to fight back. he was never personally afraid of saiyans, but was concerned about the damage they could do to his business if they were to revolt, since they were one of the more powerful races that served him, and more and more prodigies like vegeta were showing up. as for chilled himself. going by the theory that frieza is the equivalent of a nine year old. he has not physically changed in the 24 years since the destruction of the saiyan homeworld. that means it takes him at least 10 years to age the equivalent of 1 human year, and probably more like 20 or 30 years. so he's anywhere from 90-270 years old. his brother, cooler, who we'll call the equivalent of 12, is 120 to 360 years old, and is just now approaching the point where it would be possible to reproduce. if we go by vegeta's statement, and the super saiyan legend is from 1,000 years ago, then king cold was most likely alive at that time. that would make chilled frieza's grandfather. 2 generations is not long enough for any evolution at all to happen, unless you go by AT's statement in an interview that frieza's family are some kind of hybrid. in that case, yes, chilled could be a pure icer, while king cold was a hybrid with a larger but related species that happened to be interfertile. but i don't buy that. if they were truly interfertile, than by the time they developed space travel they would have fully interbred, like we did with the neanderthals millenia ago, while we were still in the stone age. |
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| GokuBlaze | May 3 2014, 07:29 AM Post #14 |
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i would say goku and them. the other team are too independant as individuals. and wont work as one. even so if its one on one with the 1st team. id say goku vs frieza. krillin vs ginyu. piccolo vs vegeta. goku beats frieza in my book. vegeta loses to piccolo. only one i worry about is krillin cause hes so negative and judges all situations as its his last time being alive maybe its cause he died... twice! haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uJaKuVdiVE |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | May 3 2014, 01:14 PM Post #15 |
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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The fact that Freeza and Ginyu both can't sense ki is a huge disadvantage. Ginyu would run into the same issues that he had with Goku's body when he switched with him. Even though Goku turned out to be weaker than him anyway, he was still even weaker than that because he couldn't figure out Goku's ki abilities. I really think that Goku and the rest would win this one. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, May 3 2014, 01:14 PM.
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