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Brute strength feat?
Topic Started: May 2 2014, 07:15 AM (2,403 Views)
King Kakarot May 2 2014, 09:28 PM Post #31
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 wait what?

Piccolo is just really strong to tear off his own arm that doesn't mean his limbs are weak

I mean in the Cell Games Piccolo can take Freiza's best attack at 100% all day and not come out with a scratch and we all know freiza's base form can destroy a planet

edit: Dr.Geromade a door the z fighters couldn't break down so i highly doubt the inside of those androids can be compared to real life
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lazerbem May 2 2014, 09:29 PM Post #32
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This is getting off topic. I'll make what I'm actually asking in OP more clear: android 19 is durable enough to withstand planet destroying attacks. Vegeta was capable of physically literally pulling him apart. Yet we see that goku struggles with 10 tons on one limb. Doesn't vegeta being able to grab something that durable(I don't care where androids get their durability from) and pull it apart mean the 40 tons scene is an outlier?
The joints on a machine are always weaker than the rest. Besides, you can't just scale like that.

SSJ3 Goku's best punch is unable to destroy King Kai's wimpy planet, yet the Cell Jrs, who should logically be able to survive planet busting attacks like Freeza, are quite literally torn limb from limb by SSJ2 Kid Gohan

Is SSJ2 Gohan now stronger than SSJ3 Goku?
The cell jr's weren't torn limb from limb though. They practically exploded when they were hit by gohan's punches
Getting your head exploded when you are hit in the face counts as getting torn limb from limb

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can you prove that the joints are weaker in the androids?

edit: base freiza also ripped nail's arm off who can also survive planetary destruction

It's simple logic. Unless your bot is just a stiff wall, the joints NEED to be weaker to flex around and what not. Vegeta tore off 19's wrists, a joint.

Think about it like this, which is easier, dislocating someone's arm or breaking arm entirely through brute force?

Namekian limbs are really weak though. Piccolo tore off his own arm, that is not a good thing when you can tear off your own arm
He was able to tear off his own arm because it was already messed up
Okay, here's a test. Get a hammer, beat your arm up until it's a bloody mess. Try to rip it off...can't do it, can you?

Arms aren't going to just pop off like that. It actually makes sense for Piccolo to be easy to take apart, after all, his arms stretch to begin with. There's probably all sorts of freaky ligaments in there that might make the structure more rigid when not stretched, and thus, weaker to bending forces

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wait what?

Piccolo is just really strong to tear off his own arm that doesn't mean his limbs are weak

I mean in the Cell Games Piccolo can take Freiza's best attack at 100% all day and not come out with a scratch and we all know freiza's base form can destroy a planet

Ki blasts and physical strength do not scale! SSJ3 Goku can barely smash King Kai's planet, Gohan tore the Cell Jrs apart casually, is Gohan now stronger than Goku?!
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King Kakarot May 2 2014, 09:31 PM Post #33
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This is getting off topic. I'll make what I'm actually asking in OP more clear: android 19 is durable enough to withstand planet destroying attacks. Vegeta was capable of physically literally pulling him apart. Yet we see that goku struggles with 10 tons on one limb. Doesn't vegeta being able to grab something that durable(I don't care where androids get their durability from) and pull it apart mean the 40 tons scene is an outlier?
The joints on a machine are always weaker than the rest. Besides, you can't just scale like that.

SSJ3 Goku's best punch is unable to destroy King Kai's wimpy planet, yet the Cell Jrs, who should logically be able to survive planet busting attacks like Freeza, are quite literally torn limb from limb by SSJ2 Kid Gohan

Is SSJ2 Gohan now stronger than SSJ3 Goku?
The cell jr's weren't torn limb from limb though. They practically exploded when they were hit by gohan's punches
Getting your head exploded when you are hit in the face counts as getting torn limb from limb

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can you prove that the joints are weaker in the androids?

edit: base freiza also ripped nail's arm off who can also survive planetary destruction

It's simple logic. Unless your bot is just a stiff wall, the joints NEED to be weaker to flex around and what not. Vegeta tore off 19's wrists, a joint.

Think about it like this, which is easier, dislocating someone's arm or breaking arm entirely through brute force?

Namekian limbs are really weak though. Piccolo tore off his own arm, that is not a good thing when you can tear off your own arm
He was able to tear off his own arm because it was already messed up
Okay, here's a test. Get a hammer, beat your arm up until it's a bloody mess. Try to rip it off...can't do it, can you?

Arms aren't going to just pop off like that. It actually makes sense for Piccolo to be easy to take apart, after all, his arms stretch to begin with. There's probably all sorts of freaky ligaments in there that might make the structure more rigid when not stretched, and thus, weaker to bending forces
We aren't strong enough to rip off our own arms

edit: SSJ3 Goku's shockwave destroyed the planet Goku's fist never actually made contact with King Kai's planet besides what are you saying ssj3 goku can't 1 shot cell jrs?

Edited by King Kakarot, May 2 2014, 09:32 PM.
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lazerbem May 2 2014, 09:33 PM Post #34
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This is getting off topic. I'll make what I'm actually asking in OP more clear: android 19 is durable enough to withstand planet destroying attacks. Vegeta was capable of physically literally pulling him apart. Yet we see that goku struggles with 10 tons on one limb. Doesn't vegeta being able to grab something that durable(I don't care where androids get their durability from) and pull it apart mean the 40 tons scene is an outlier?
The joints on a machine are always weaker than the rest. Besides, you can't just scale like that.

SSJ3 Goku's best punch is unable to destroy King Kai's wimpy planet, yet the Cell Jrs, who should logically be able to survive planet busting attacks like Freeza, are quite literally torn limb from limb by SSJ2 Kid Gohan

Is SSJ2 Gohan now stronger than SSJ3 Goku?
The cell jr's weren't torn limb from limb though. They practically exploded when they were hit by gohan's punches
Getting your head exploded when you are hit in the face counts as getting torn limb from limb

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can you prove that the joints are weaker in the androids?

edit: base freiza also ripped nail's arm off who can also survive planetary destruction

It's simple logic. Unless your bot is just a stiff wall, the joints NEED to be weaker to flex around and what not. Vegeta tore off 19's wrists, a joint.

Think about it like this, which is easier, dislocating someone's arm or breaking arm entirely through brute force?

Namekian limbs are really weak though. Piccolo tore off his own arm, that is not a good thing when you can tear off your own arm
He was able to tear off his own arm because it was already messed up
Okay, here's a test. Get a hammer, beat your arm up until it's a bloody mess. Try to rip it off...can't do it, can you?

Arms aren't going to just pop off like that. It actually makes sense for Piccolo to be easy to take apart, after all, his arms stretch to begin with. There's probably all sorts of freaky ligaments in there that might make the structure more rigid when not stretched, and thus, weaker to bending forces
We aren't strong enough to rip off our own arms

Obviously, but Piccolo tearing off his own arm isn't exactly a good feat. We know Saiyans are superior to humans physically, so is Piccolo just kind of in that gap between humans and Saiyans strength wise. He was outmatched in the physical department
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King Kakarot May 2 2014, 09:36 PM Post #35
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 how is piccolo not tearing off his arms a good feat?

piccolo can tank PLANET BUSTERS from 100% freiza in the cell games WITHOUT a single scratch.


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Goddess Ultimecia May 2 2014, 09:39 PM Post #36
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 When I think of dudes that just go up and rip off their own limbs, I think of badasses lol.
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Obviously, but Piccolo tearing off his own arm isn't exactly a good feat. We know Saiyans are superior to humans physically, so is Piccolo just kind of in that gap between humans and Saiyans strength wise. He was outmatched in the physical department
It can be a good feat if you consider that his arm was damaged. The actual durability and integrity of his arm had been compromised.
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lazerbem May 2 2014, 09:44 PM Post #38
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Obviously, but Piccolo tearing off his own arm isn't exactly a good feat. We know Saiyans are superior to humans physically, so is Piccolo just kind of in that gap between humans and Saiyans strength wise. He was outmatched in the physical department
It can be a good feat if you consider that his arm was damaged. The actual durability and integrity of his arm had been compromised.
That actually brings up a question: Do Namekians have bones?

That helps shed some light on what that feat means actually. I know Moori got his neck snapped, but Piccolo can stretch his arms. Maybe they justh have a skull and spine?
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+ Ssj3vegito96 May 2 2014, 09:46 PM Post #39
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 I never thought of whether namekians have bones or not. That's a good question. I would think they do but they can stretch their limbs so idk
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 I assume that they would, but all we really know is that they have brains, because they can't regenerate without them.

Unless we can see a bone during their limb removal, we don't know if they do or not.
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+ Ssj3vegito96 May 2 2014, 11:02 PM Post #41
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 So is pulling off android 19's arm a better feat than the 40 tons thing or what?
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King Kakarot May 2 2014, 11:19 PM Post #42
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So is pulling off android 19's arm a better feat than the 40 tons thing or what?
yes it is even ealier than that was Freiza pulling off Nail's arm

Or even earlier than that was Goku jumping into the clouds as a kid
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So is pulling off android 19's arm a better feat than the 40 tons thing or what?
Not only that, but Vegeta was in Super Saiyan, Goku was in base.
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So is pulling off android 19's arm a better feat than the 40 tons thing or what?
Not only that, but Vegeta was in Super Saiyan, Goku was in base.

By the 40 tons feat though, Goku was much stronger than SSJ Vegeta
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So is pulling off android 19's arm a better feat than the 40 tons thing or what?
Not only that, but Vegeta was in Super Saiyan, Goku was in base.

By the 40 tons feat though, Goku was much stronger than SSJ Vegeta
True, but do 19's arms have 40 tons of resistance?
That's something we need to think about as well.

I personally don't believe that they do.
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