Ssj3vegito96

May 2 2014, 02:40 PM

Sorry I don't understand what you guys are saying. The androids were all clearly very durable compared to past enemies

bardock1990

May 2 2014, 04:02 PM

What about 17's KI shield?

bardock1990

May 2 2014, 06:29 PM

^And that contributes to their durability, so it is not true that they can't use their power to protect themselves better.

The Assassin

May 2 2014, 07:12 PM

bardock1990

May 2 2014, 06:29 PM

^And that contributes to their durability, so it is not true that they can't use their power to protect themselves better.

Doesn't matter because it still doesn't increase his durability like it would for an organic fighter. Not to mention that I'm fairly certain that 17's "Ki" shield is non-canon. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However while we're on the subject, actually using your ki to increase your durability, as opposed to manifesting it as a separate force outside your body aren't the same thing.

Ki in a ki shield is a separate force than your body, but it's produced by your body. Increasing your durability via ki is done by concentrating ki into areas of your body.

17's "ki" isn't actually ki, and doesn't have the same properties on non organic material that it does on organic material. For example, you can't focus ki into the ground to make the ground stronger because that's not an organic object. It's the same with mechanical parts.

The Assassin

May 2 2014, 07:12 PM

bardock1990

May 2 2014, 06:29 PM

^And that contributes to their durability, so it is not true that they can't use their power to protect themselves better.

Doesn't matter because it still doesn't increase his durability like it would for an organic fighter. Not to mention that I'm fairly certain that 17's "Ki" shield is non-canon. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However while we're on the subject, actually using your ki to increase your durability, as opposed to manifesting it as a separate force outside your body aren't the same thing.

Ki in a ki shield is a separate force than your body, but it's produced by your body. Increasing your durability via ki is done by concentrating ki into areas of your body.

17's "ki" isn't actually ki, and doesn't have the same properties on non organic material that it does on organic material. For example, you can't focus ki into the ground to make the ground stronger because that's not an organic object. It's the same with mechanical parts.

bardock1990

May 2 2014, 07:18 PM

The Assassin

May 2 2014, 07:12 PM

bardock1990

May 2 2014, 06:29 PM

^And that contributes to their durability, so it is not true that they can't use their power to protect themselves better.

Doesn't matter because it still doesn't increase his durability like it would for an organic fighter. Not to mention that I'm fairly certain that 17's "Ki" shield is non-canon. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However while we're on the subject, actually using your ki to increase your durability, as opposed to manifesting it as a separate force outside your body aren't the same thing.

Ki in a ki shield is a separate force than your body, but it's produced by your body. Increasing your durability via ki is done by concentrating ki into areas of your body.

17's "ki" isn't actually ki, and doesn't have the same properties on non organic material that it does on organic material. For example, you can't focus ki into the ground to make the ground stronger because that's not an organic object. It's the same with mechanical parts.

Just stop arguing with semantics please. KI, non-KI energy etc etc. The specifics aren't what I care about, the point is that the androids have the ability to use a force that will make them more durable in a fight so you were simply wrong. 17 showed it when he used his shield, it makes perfect sense anyway otherwise they'd be destroyed easily.

The Assassin

May 2 2014, 07:50 PM

bardock1990

May 2 2014, 07:18 PM

The Assassin

May 2 2014, 07:12 PM

bardock1990

May 2 2014, 06:29 PM

^And that contributes to their durability, so it is not true that they can't use their power to protect themselves better.

Doesn't matter because it still doesn't increase his durability like it would for an organic fighter. Not to mention that I'm fairly certain that 17's "Ki" shield is non-canon. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

However while we're on the subject, actually using your ki to increase your durability, as opposed to manifesting it as a separate force outside your body aren't the same thing.

Ki in a ki shield is a separate force than your body, but it's produced by your body. Increasing your durability via ki is done by concentrating ki into areas of your body.

17's "ki" isn't actually ki, and doesn't have the same properties on non organic material that it does on organic material. For example, you can't focus ki into the ground to make the ground stronger because that's not an organic object. It's the same with mechanical parts.

Just stop arguing with semantics please. KI, non-KI energy etc etc. The specifics aren't what I care about, the point is that the androids have the ability to use a force that will make them more durable in a fight so you were simply wrong. 17 showed it when he used his shield, it makes perfect sense anyway otherwise they'd be destroyed easily.

Instead of getting mad at me, you need to prove that androids/cyborgs are able to use ki to increase their durability. That argument falls on you since you're the one arguing that.

Manifesting a force stronger than yourself is not the same thing as increasing your durability with ki, because that ki, once manifested, is no longer a part of your body.

For example, once Goku manifests a Kamehameha, that's not part of his body. His durability doesn't increase because that Kamehameha is manifested. Just because you can't see the ki doesn't mean that it isn't being used. For example, Goku's ki increased against Raditz when he took his weights off. You couldn't see physically it, but never the less, we knew that his ki had increased because Raditz tells us that it had.