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Bojack's gang vs SSJ Broly (Movie 10)
Topic Started: Apr 26 2014, 04:35 AM (3,055 Views)
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Apr 28 2014, 12:34 AM
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Why? It's 50 times your current power level. Why would it replenish one's Ki, and if that was the case, why wouldn't they just revert and transform again when they're running low?
i explained it in the post you quoted. goku had no power left when he first transformed against frieza, but afterwards he went straight to full. if you use a multiplicative model, then transforming restores your ki. simple as that. as for why they don't do it, they never really have a chance. the only time it would be beneficial is goku at the cell games, but as soon as he realized he needed to get back in the fight, he got jumped by a cell kid, and it would have been suicide to revert to base.

but like i said, that is one of the reasons i don't use a multiplicative model. ssj doesn't restore the ki you've already used, it is just a separate reserve of ki that gets added on to whatever you have left.

base goku 3,000,000
exhausted base goku 0
ssj goku 150,000,000
FP ssj goku 153,000,000

ssj doesn't multiply anything, it just adds a really big number that at that time happened to be 50x goku's base power.
I just assume transforming the first time replenishes your energy. Like I said, we never see someone revert and transform to regain their energy. That aside, I don't do fan theories when we are told straight up it's 50 times base.
actually, it's never said in the manga that it's 50 times base.
The SEG says it is, and I'll take that over a fans opinion any day.
The SEG is just fan opinion.
We're done here. I'm not even going to humor you if your going to spout nonsense like that.
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Technically anything that isn't done by Toriyama can be interpreted as fan opinion.
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Lunar does kind of have a point. AT himself even stated he envisioned SSJ 10X Base at one point so not using a 50X SSJ Multiplier is completely understandable. I personally use a 5X SSJ Multiplier from when Vegeta and Trunks leave the RoSaT for the first time to the end of the series.

But yeah, I have CG SSJ2 Gohan > M10 SSJ2 Gohan because I don't believe M10 Gohan got a rage boost where as CG Gohan did even though technically I have M10 Gohan > CG Gohan without a rage boost.
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Technically anything that isn't done by Toriyama can be interpreted as fan opinion.
I have no doubt the author(s) of the Super Exciting Guide are fans of DBZ, but the SEG is an official publication produced by people who work with the franchise. Whether someone agrees with official material or not is up to them, but the SEG is more than a fans opinion.
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Technically anything that isn't done by Toriyama can be interpreted as fan opinion.
I have no doubt the author(s) of the Super Exciting Guide are fans of DBZ, but the SEG is an official publication produced by people who work with the franchise. Whether someone agrees with official material or not is up to them, but the SEG is more than a fans opinion.
No, the people at Caramel Mama and Shueisha did not work on the manga. none of them had any involvement with the manga. all they did was make the merchandise, like the guidebooks.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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