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Reading Manga Online
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 25 2014, 01:28 AM (696 Views)
Mihawk	Apr 25 2014, 01:28 AM Post #1
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Now I have an interesting topic. When I watch anime (not much compared to manga) I will always go legit and use Crunchyroll. Can't remember the last time I streamed. Even for normal shows/movies I will use netflix or something along those lines (don't really watch TV). My reasons mainly revolve around considering the time and money developers put into the show and expecting a return based off it. Even if I considered anime/shows to be intangible that can't be stolen as products (obviously discounting DVDs/Blurays), I still consider the value and return the anime company and authors are expecting back from investing their money in the first place. Now for manga, at least in my opinion, the case is very different. Starting off, I believe the tangible object (manga scan) is under the ownership of those who redraw the manga. I base this loosely off the DMCA, where a significantly altered objected cannot fall under copyright ownership of the developer. It's the reason why Team Four Star's videos can't get taken down. I also believe that the majority tangible "work and effort" is transferred to typesetters and translators where they ultimately develop their own product. Thoughts?



lunar2	Apr 25 2014, 01:34 AM Post #2
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	well, with both manga and anime, i have no problem using free services. the reason is that i'm poor, and either i get it for free, or i don't get it at all. so the copyright holders don't actually lose any money from me using those services, since they weren't going to get any money from me, anyway. plus. i grew up on broadcast TV, so paying to watch a show kind of rubs me the wrong way, anyway. same with books, that's what libraries are for. as far as i'm concerned, an online manga site is no different from a library. they bought a copy, and they allow others to use that copy. the fact that they use it digitally, or that multiple people are using it at once, doesn't fundamentally change it from what a library does.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


*Copy_Ninja*	Apr 25 2014, 01:45 AM Post #3
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Itachi Apr 25 2014, 01:28 AM Now for manga, at least in my opinion, the case is very different. Starting off, I believe the tangible object (manga scan) is under the ownership of those who redraw the manga. I base this loosely off the DMCA, where a significantly altered objected cannot fall under copyright ownership of the developer. It's the reason why Team Four Star's videos can't get taken down. I also believe that the majority tangible "work and effort" is transferred to typesetters and translators where they ultimately develop their own product. Thoughts? Significantly altered wouldn't include the very slight re-drawings that scanlators do when they upload manga. In fact the point of the re-draw is that it's not supposed to look altered. I really don't think it's their own product, sure it takes effort but all they're doing is making someone else's product accessible to english speakers. Also Team Four Star and all the other abridged series rely on the fair use exception to copyright for the purposes of parody.
	We'll never be those kids again


+ Steve	Apr 25 2014, 01:50 AM Post #4
Greetings. I will be your waifu this season. Posts: 19,471 Group: Legend Member #5,710 Joined: February 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Hunter x Hunter(2011) What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Berserk all day erry day	I think it's fair, I would prefer to read manga online legally but there's no realistic price for it I'm not paying £10 a month on some site just to read Bleach and Naruto, anime is a lot better in that you know what you're getting, quality and effort where mangaka might have a lazy day or this weeks chapter could be horrifically dumb. I'm sure most of the money the mangaka gain is from anime adaptions anyway so as long as you invest in anime or actually buy manga volumes down the line I don't have a problem with reading it illegally. Over in the west we don't have great access to weekly manga's so waiting weeks or months for volumes to be released is a pain, if we could get Shounen Jump or whatever translated and in stores just a couple of days after the Japanese release I'd be happy to buy it. It's illegal but because I pay for anime I'm not taking away from the industry as far as I'm concerned. Plus translators deserve money as much as the mangaka imo, they're already going to get tons of money from anime adaptions if the series is good enough so they deserve the support of their site having advertisements and such for their work. If you've ever used Google Translate on Japanese text then you probably know how hard it is to make something that makes sense in English out of what Google gives you so translators really write their own script, it's not simply copy and paste. It's the same with dubbing they have to make the characters say something that says a similar thing based of the mouth movements which given that the movements are of a different language can be very difficult. To say "That's a red car" in Japanese is vastly different from how the mouth moves saying it in English. So I respect the work that goes in to both kinds of translations but choose to support the anime side legally. If the manga is made satisfying the mangaka ultimately gains more money from me through anime.
	Definitely not a succubus, fear not


Mihawk	Apr 25 2014, 02:03 AM Post #5
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	I agree with all of you to some extent. Some people aren't going to give to the industry because they can't afford it. But at the same time many are going to to take simply because they can for free. I agree that it isn't that significantly altered enough to fall under classic DMCA interpretation. But on a personal scale I consider it to be enough work for them to consider it their own to a certain extent (where "stealing" would fall under translators umbrella, not somebody who views the image online). I'm in the same boat as Steve. I wouldn't mind buying them if they were remotely as accessible as they are in Japan. Crunchyroll has had a good idea but they're having trouble branching out due to Viz holding the license. Also actually reading a "Weekly Shounen Jump" sounds kinda cool. Edit: also to add one of the most popular translating sites is still hosted in the US and they consider their releases to just be "spoilers". Somehow they've managed to stay afloat for a good amount. Edited by Mihawk, Apr 25 2014, 02:04 AM.



+ Pelador	Apr 25 2014, 02:14 AM Post #6
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Another problem with buying physical manga is space. Think how many issues of Naruto and One Piece there are. I might have the money to pay for it all but I don't have the room to store it.
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~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Apr 25 2014, 04:27 AM Post #7
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	This doesn't really apply to me since I buy everything I read and watch, but you should definitely purchase series that you love in my opinion. Show your love and respect to the creators and the industry for goodness sakes. I definitely make it a point to buy underrated titles or titles that I want to see more of in America. It does make a difference.



* Crashbreaka	Apr 25 2014, 08:02 AM Post #8
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	There are flat-out no manga shops (or anything super cool tbh) in my home town, so I don't really mind reading it online. Another benefit is that manga books are so hard for people like me to see properly. They're so small! Online scans tend to be a little bigger from what I've seen



~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Apr 25 2014, 08:08 AM Post #9
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	I don't think watching Anime or reading Manga for free is so bad tbh. I have an app on my iPod called "Manga Reader" and I can download pretty much every chapter of every Manga out there for free. Even lesser known works. But hey. I own two R4s and a Supercard DSTwo, so whadda I know?



Accelerator	Apr 25 2014, 08:17 AM Post #10
最強の能力者 Posts: 7,505 Group: Super Moderator Member #7,059 Joined: December 12, 2011 Gender Female Country United States Favourite Anime Raildex/Monogatari, Mirai Nikki, Nanatsu no Taizai, Katanagatari, Clannad, Shigatsu, Angel Beats! What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Tokyo Ghoul, Nanatsu no Taizai, Joshiraku, Owari no Seraph, Railgun, Mangaka-san	If I bought every anime I ever saw I'd be broke, I don't even have enough money in my bank account to by every anime I've seen. I do wish to buy those that I really love but I don't see the harm in watching/reading online.
	唄歌い


Mihawk	Apr 25 2014, 04:10 PM Post #11
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	ObsessiveFanGirl Apr 25 2014, 04:27 AM This doesn't really apply to me since I buy everything I read and watch, but you should definitely purchase series that you love in my opinion. Show your love and respect to the creators and the industry for goodness sakes. I definitely make it a point to buy underrated titles or titles that I want to see more of in America. It does make a difference. I have no issue with that, but I still like reading the weekly releases online since I don't have access to the weekly here. I don't mind buying it later if that makes things better.



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