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How strong is GT Goku?; I have a couple of people i need to prove wrong
Topic Started: Apr 19 2014, 10:53 PM (1,818 Views)
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Goku goes from 416 to 3,000,000 in about 13 months.

BOZ : 416
post Kaio : 8,000
post Vegeta zenkai : 11,000
post 100x gravity : 90,000
post Ginyu zenkai : 3,000,000
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The 400x stronger than Buu arc is absolutely ludicrous. Yes, I do think Goku made significant gains during the timeskip but nowhere near his gains from the end of the cell saga-Buu saga. Keep in mind it was a peaceful period and intensive training wouldn't have been necessary at the time. IMO, Goku's training would have been to maintain his current shape and improve a little. Goku base is on Uubs level.
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Apr 28 2014, 02:14 PM
Goku base is on Uubs level.
This is true, but Goku also called Oob stronger than Good Boo. Oob>=EoZ Goku>Good Boo>Boo Saga SSJ2s. Goku got at least past his SSJ2 self in base.
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Yeah, I think it could have been a 100x increase, as someone suggested in this very thread. I heard that somewhere on another site, and I couldn't believe it.
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The only problem here is you guys are assuming that the boost has to be 400X his Z self.

Personally, I use a 5X SSJ multiplier which means I have the SSJ3 boost only 40X Base. I don't even see a problem with EoZ Base Goku being at Kid Buu level. BoGT Base Goku could very well be amongst the likes of SSJ Post RoSaT Gotenks or something.
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Some people say that normal Goku GT> Buuhan. Allow me to explain why this is wrong.

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Goku says Rildo is stronger than Buu to Pan and Trunks. We know : 
-Trunks saw only Majin Buu and Super Buu.
- Pan wasn't even alive when Super Buu was. 

The only Boo either of them know is Majin Buu. I think if it was a Buu who doesn't know by Trunks and Pan, Goku would have said, this is not the case. It makes more sense that Goku talking about the Buu alive rather than one that is long dead (as nobody speaks Piccolo died long ago compared to one who is alive), especially if they have made a wish through Shenron for this Buu there be forgotten (so there is no chance he spoke of evil Buu and its different forms has his granddaughter). Moreover, it seems to me that FUNinamation he speaks of Majin Buu.


So, Goku SSJ3 (Z) > Normal Goku (GT) > General Rildo > Majin Buu
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Yusuke Urameshi
Apr 29 2014, 11:52 AM
The only problem here is you guys are assuming that the boost has to be 400X his Z self.

Personally, I use a 5X SSJ multiplier which means I have the SSJ3 boost only 40X Base. I don't even see a problem with EoZ Base Goku being at Kid Buu level. BoGT Base Goku could very well be amongst the likes of SSJ Post RoSaT Gotenks or something.
Problem: Kaio-Ken = stronger than SSJ according to you. And that's not true, as SSJ Goku was completely creaming Frieza, and was an even match for 100% Frieza.
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Apr 30 2014, 04:21 AM
Yusuke Urameshi
Apr 29 2014, 11:52 AM
The only problem here is you guys are assuming that the boost has to be 400X his Z self.

Personally, I use a 5X SSJ multiplier which means I have the SSJ3 boost only 40X Base. I don't even see a problem with EoZ Base Goku being at Kid Buu level. BoGT Base Goku could very well be amongst the likes of SSJ Post RoSaT Gotenks or something.
Problem: Kaio-Ken = stronger than SSJ according to you. And that's not true, as SSJ Goku was completely creaming Frieza, and was an even match for 100% Frieza.
I only use the 5X SSJ mutipllier when Vegeta and Trunks leave the RoSaT to the end of the series. Anything before that (like the Frieza fight) I use a 50X SSJ multiplier.

As for the Kaioken thing, Kaioken can't be used as effectively as SSJ can be. Not to mention Goku gets SSJ2 rather quickly after the Cell Arc making Kaioken unecessary and inconvenient.
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Yusuke Urameshi
Apr 30 2014, 04:55 AM
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Apr 30 2014, 04:21 AM
Yusuke Urameshi
Apr 29 2014, 11:52 AM
The only problem here is you guys are assuming that the boost has to be 400X his Z self.

Personally, I use a 5X SSJ multiplier which means I have the SSJ3 boost only 40X Base. I don't even see a problem with EoZ Base Goku being at Kid Buu level. BoGT Base Goku could very well be amongst the likes of SSJ Post RoSaT Gotenks or something.
Problem: Kaio-Ken = stronger than SSJ according to you. And that's not true, as SSJ Goku was completely creaming Frieza, and was an even match for 100% Frieza.
I only use the 5X SSJ mutipllier when Vegeta and Trunks leave the RoSaT to the end of the series. Anything before that (like the Frieza fight) I use a 50X SSJ multiplier.

As for the Kaioken thing, Kaioken can't be used as effectively as SSJ can be. Not to mention Goku gets SSJ2 rather quickly after the Cell Arc making Kaioken unecessary and inconvenient.
I don't believe the decreasing Multiplier theory too much.
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May 2 2014, 11:13 PM
Yusuke Urameshi
Apr 30 2014, 04:55 AM
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Apr 30 2014, 04:21 AM
Yusuke Urameshi
Apr 29 2014, 11:52 AM
The only problem here is you guys are assuming that the boost has to be 400X his Z self.

Personally, I use a 5X SSJ multiplier which means I have the SSJ3 boost only 40X Base. I don't even see a problem with EoZ Base Goku being at Kid Buu level. BoGT Base Goku could very well be amongst the likes of SSJ Post RoSaT Gotenks or something.
Problem: Kaio-Ken = stronger than SSJ according to you. And that's not true, as SSJ Goku was completely creaming Frieza, and was an even match for 100% Frieza.
I only use the 5X SSJ mutipllier when Vegeta and Trunks leave the RoSaT to the end of the series. Anything before that (like the Frieza fight) I use a 50X SSJ multiplier.

As for the Kaioken thing, Kaioken can't be used as effectively as SSJ can be. Not to mention Goku gets SSJ2 rather quickly after the Cell Arc making Kaioken unecessary and inconvenient.
I don't believe the decreasing Multiplier theory too much.
Yeah but it's not constantly decreasing. Once it hits 5X Base, it stays there and doesn't change. I also use the SEG numbers for SSJ2 and SSJ3.

Also, GT uses really small multipliers. This is even shown when Rild comments that Goku wasn't even using "half his power" meaning SSJ is 2.5-3X Base and SSJ2 and SSJ3 are less than what they were in Z.
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Well if I had to powerscale GT Goku:

-At BOGT he should be in Base form as powerfull as Gotenks was in Buu Arc, IF not more that is, he did trained intensevily for 5 years with Uub.

-M2 Goku is above Anime Kid Buu who is above Buuhan, so Base Goku M2>Base General Riildo>Anime Kid Buu>Buuhan.

-Baby Arc Goku is the same as he was on M2, there's not a significant increase here.

-Super 17 Arc Goku is overpowered as crap, Base Vegeta was the leader of the group of Z fighters and the one to take on the strongest warrior(Hell #17) let's add here that in the Z crew Majuub was also there, and Majuub is barely weaker than SBV2, that would make Base Vegeta Super 17 Arc=SBV2, and also Vegeta keeping the Baby power Boost is possible. And also SSJ2 Vegeta Super 17 Arc was helpless against Super 17 p, while SSJ Goku was holding he's own for a bit, its safe to say that, SSJ Goku Super 17=SSJ4 Goku Baby Arc.

-Shadow Dragon's Arc Goku is pretty much the same as the Super 17 one is, not muxh time to train to become any stronger anyway.
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