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Comparaison BoG with DBGT
Topic Started: Apr 17 2014, 01:42 AM (8,319 Views)
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Because of his GT gains. Before BoG was introduced, it was established that BoGT Base Goku ~ Z SSJ3 Goku. Now consider the gains he made in BoG and GT since were merging the two together and tell me he would struggle with any villain (albeit Omega maybe) in GT?



Regardless of Goku's massive gains I still don't see how we know which is a bigger boost off of base, SSJ4 or SSJG.

We just know both are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3.

I don't see any bigger of a problem incorporating BOG into GT any more than incorporating BOG in the Z universe between the end of the Buu saga and the 28th Budokai.



Bardock the Father of Goku special came out after the Freeza saga, but it can still be connected to the Freeza saga just fine.
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Because of his GT gains. Before BoG was introduced, it was established that BoGT Base Goku ~ Z SSJ3 Goku. Now consider the gains he made in BoG and GT since were merging the two together and tell me he would struggle with any villain (albeit Omega maybe) in GT?



Regardless of Goku's massive gains I still don't see how we know which is a bigger boost off of base, SSJ4 or SSJG.

We just know both are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSJ3.

I don't see any bigger of a problem incorporating BOG into GT any more than incorporating BOG in the Z universe between the end of the Buu saga and the 28th Budokai.



Bardock the Father of Goku special came out after the Freeza saga, but it can still be connected to the Freeza saga just fine.
Dude, Goku went from getting beaten as an SSJ3 by Beerus with just a flick of Beerus's finger to rivaling him as an SSJG. Add an extra 400X for Base to SSJ3. That's a humongous increase more than SSJ4 could possibly grant. Not to mention GT uses small multipliers for SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3.

The only problem with that is the Bardock special was specifically meant to connect with the Frieza Saga whereas BoG wasn't meant in the slightest to connect with GT.
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How do you know BoG isnt meant at all to connect with GT? The new Chozenshu guidebook realeased after BoG outright shows it does.



I still don't see anything that proves SSJG > SSJ4 in a boost for Goku. Certainly not from GT or BoG themselves. Not that I have a certain opinion on that comparison though.

Goku post Piccolo Daimao battle got finger flicked by Kami and in the 23rd Budoak he'd stomp Kami. So the finger flick gap can be breached just with some training, much less a huge power up transformation.


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it was established that BoGT Base Goku ~ Z SSJ3 Goku

Where does this belief even come from? So many people support it but there is no evidence for it. I think he should be much stronger than that.
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base Goku by the Baby Saga is stronger than Buuhan too. He basically works his way up from being SSJ3 Goku /Kid Buu tier [Z] to > Buuhan.

Meahwhile battle of Gods base Goku is implied to be weaker than freaking Freeza.


With this type of insane hax boost for Goku in GT, why would Super Baby 1 not be stronger than Beers? I don't see anything wrong with that statment at all.
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Vic do you really believe that Freeza is > Base Saiyans?
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Not in the canon verse, no.

I have base Goten [Buu saga] ~ Android #18.
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So why are you suggesting opposite for BoG? Just assume that Goku was suppressed.
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Apr 25 2014, 12:20 AM
How do you know BoG isnt meant at all to connect with GT? The new Chozenshu guidebook realeased after BoG outright shows it does.



I still don't see anything that proves SSJG > SSJ4 in a boost for Goku. Certainly not from GT or BoG themselves. Not that I have a certain opinion on that comparison though.

Goku post Piccolo Daimao battle got finger flicked by Kami and in the 23rd Budoak he'd stomp Kami. So the finger flick gap can be breached just with some training, much less a huge power up transformation.


Because like I said before, guidebooks oversimplify things like crazy. SSJG not even being mentioned inthe slightest in GT is a good example of that.

The fact that he could go from getting flicked by Beerus to being on par with him speaks wonders for the boost. And like I said before, GT uses really small multipliers so SSJ4 wouldn't be that great of a boost from Base whereas Z has a pretty significant gap between SSJ forms meaning a huge increase for SSJG.

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BoGT Base Goku ~ Z SSJ3 Goku is the absoulte minimum you can have BoGT Base Goku. I was only using that as a refrence point.I have BoGT Base Goku between Base Gotenks Post and SSJ Gotenks Post.
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multipliers so SSJ4

Multiplier and SSJ4 should not be in the same sentence.
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Apr 25 2014, 12:30 AM
So why are you suggesting opposite for BoG? Just assume that Goku was suppressed.
Because it's stated, that's why. Maybe Goku got nerfed. That's why angry Vegeta's SSJ is stronger than Goku's SSJ3 too.

I believe base Goku though movie 5 is stronger than Freeza.
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Apr 25 2014, 12:46 AM
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Apr 25 2014, 12:30 AM
So why are you suggesting opposite for BoG? Just assume that Goku was suppressed.
Because it's stated, that's why. Maybe Goku got nerfed. That's why angry Vegeta's SSJ is stronger than Goku's SSJ3 too.

I believe base Goku though movie 5 is stronger than Freeza.
It was also stated in the manga that Goku had a power level of 5k against Jeice/Burter/Recoome. Goku never just walks around at full power.
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multipliers so SSJ4

Multiplier and SSJ4 should not be in the same sentence.
I was referring to the transformation from Base to SSJ4 shouldn't be too great due to the multipliers for SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 being relatively small and that Z multipliers are much bigger than GT's not to mention SSJG's radical boost.
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Apr 25 2014, 12:42 AM
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multipliers so SSJ4

Multiplier and SSJ4 should not be in the same sentence.
I was referring to the transformation from Base to SSJ4 shouldn't be too great due to the multipliers for SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 being relatively small and that Z multipliers are much bigger than GT's not to mention SSJG's radical boost.
But that is meaningless if SSJ4 is based on dormant power. It doesn't matter what the starting point is.
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multipliers so SSJ4

Multiplier and SSJ4 should not be in the same sentence.
I was referring to the transformation from Base to SSJ4 shouldn't be too great due to the multipliers for SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3 being relatively small and that Z multipliers are much bigger than GT's not to mention SSJG's radical boost.
Super-Saiyan 4 has nothing to do with the previous transformations.
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