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Just Read Dragon Ball Minus; And I have three things to say
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 14 2014, 09:40 PM (13,131 Views)
~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Apr 17 2014, 10:40 PM Post #61
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	Complaining about his clothes in kinda strange. Why not complain about Boo saga Vegeta then?



TheGmGoken	Apr 17 2014, 10:45 PM Post #62
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Terror Apr 17 2014, 10:40 PM Complaining about his clothes in kinda strange. Why not complain about Boo saga Vegeta then? Complaining about character design is weird? So everyone who didn't like SSG design was a weird complaint? I don't like the armour nor did I see a need not to use the onr in the original. No I'm not saying he should had drew Bardock the way I liked it as that's stupid. Im giving my opinion on the design



+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 18 2014, 12:41 AM Post #63
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Clearin Apr 17 2014, 09:56 PM The word canon's official definition (in this circumstance): "The works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine" Therefore the original Bardock movie is officially non-canon by definition of the word, since it was not the work of Akira Toriyama. The problem is that akira toriyama isn't a very legit source anymore
	IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle Top 7 favorite dbz heroes: 1. Sometimes it goku sometimes it's vegeta 2. ^ 3. Teen gohan 4. Future trunks 5. Piccolo 6. Adult gohan 7. Bardock


~~Professor Gohan~~	Apr 18 2014, 12:44 AM Post #64
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Because it's not the same. lol. I read "original work" during my stay in this thread. I'm glad I at least came across that.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 18 2014, 12:54 AM Post #65
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Clearin Apr 17 2014, 09:56 PM The word canon's official definition (in this circumstance): "The works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine" Therefore the original Bardock movie is officially non-canon by definition of the word, since it was not the work of Akira Toriyama. There are multiple definitions of canon bud. Secondly, this definition is clear in the fact that it says recognized as genuine. The fact that this hasn't been officially placed, much like everything in Dragon Ball, means it isn't objectively canon.
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TheGmGoken	Apr 18 2014, 12:55 AM Post #66
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Clearin Apr 17 2014, 09:56 PM The word canon's official definition (in this circumstance): "The works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine" Therefore the original Bardock movie is officially non-canon by definition of the word, since it was not the work of Akira Toriyama. They're many official definition of canon. Hope you know that. However my favourite comes from the good old urban dictionary Quote: A newer whiny phrase often used by pissy fanboys to indirectly infer that a certain storyline in a set continuity arrogantly does not exist, regardless if at all. Example: "I do not like that video game, Sonic Battle. Therefore, since 'I' do not like it, it is not 'canon' in the series' story! I have created a new trend! Now no one will play it anymore because IT'S NOT CANON!!" -BadCase#44755890002



+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 18 2014, 12:55 AM Post #67
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	I'm confused. Why does the word canon have to be said by toriyama or anyone else who writes the stuff? In that statement I posted earlier, he doesn't say "canon", but it's clear he's saying that it(new movies, specials, etc.) did actually happen, he just didn't write it down in the manga back then. Also, does whether or not the new material contradicts the original material really make something not canon? Are there really that many things in Minus that contradict the manga? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 18 2014, 12:57 AM.
	IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle Top 7 favorite dbz heroes: 1. Sometimes it goku sometimes it's vegeta 2. ^ 3. Teen gohan 4. Future trunks 5. Piccolo 6. Adult gohan 7. Bardock


+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 18 2014, 12:59 AM Post #68
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	No, Minus is fairly harmless when it comes to unexplainable contradictions. People, like myself, don't consider it canon because this material is fairly late to the party and because Bardock already had a perfectly acceptable origin.
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Rogafufuken	Apr 18 2014, 01:00 AM Post #69
Posts: 1,483 Group: Member Member #10,933 Joined: February 25, 2014 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z/Kai, and Nisekoi What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z, and One Piece	TheGmGoken Apr 17 2014, 09:50 PM Bardock looks terrible in Minus I agree somewhat. I don't really care about thew whole armor thing, and it doesn't contradict anything, as he could have changed between then and the Bardock special, if his armor got damaged. What really annoys me is, as I said before, the decrease in muscle mass in Bardock. He looks too lanky compared to how he looks in all his other appearances. I mean, he went from this: to this: (Sorry if picture possibly isn't allowed because of source, and for the image size difference) There is no way that in the time between Dragon Ball Minus, and Bardock's battle with Freeza, which is maybe a week or two at most, he could've gained that much muscle mass, so it doesn't make sense. The same thing happened to to adult Goku, who was shown in the last panel. So, Toriyama has clearly changed his art style, at least with how big muscles are on people, and it bothers me for some reason. Sorry for the rant, but I just don't like that. Edited by Rogafufuken, Apr 18 2014, 01:06 AM.



Topographic Oceans	Apr 18 2014, 01:04 AM Post #70
Posts: 1,787 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	I didn't like Dragon Ball Minus but, to be fair, the issue with Bardock's muscle mass is due to Toriyama's art style. Everyone he draws now looks skinny. I wouldn't call it a plothole. On the subject of canonicity, I don't think it matters much. If a work is bad, it'll still be bad regardless of it's canonical placement. Just stick to what you enjoy more. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Apr 18 2014, 01:07 AM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 18 2014, 01:10 AM Post #71
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	So there is no real canon in dbz right? Do we go by levels of canonicity or do just say "I don't like this, this isn't canon"? And if we go by levels of canonicity, how do we know what work is more canon than others? Is that also up to your personal preference?
	IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle Top 7 favorite dbz heroes: 1. Sometimes it goku sometimes it's vegeta 2. ^ 3. Teen gohan 4. Future trunks 5. Piccolo 6. Adult gohan 7. Bardock


TheGmGoken	Apr 18 2014, 01:16 AM Post #72
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 18 2014, 01:10 AM So there is no real canon in dbz right? Do we go by levels of canonicity or do just say "I don't like this, this isn't canon"? And if we go by levels of canonicity, how do we know what work is more canon than others? Is that also up to your personal preference? Well. Easily the manga is canon even though db doesn't have canon. Basically the original manga + what u want besides movies(Toriyama called them a separate dimension) + BoG(due to Toriyama statements) + The BGM xD



~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Apr 18 2014, 01:36 AM Post #73
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	Comparing people complaining about SSJG to someone changing their clothes? Lmao. People change their clothes on a daily basis, it's completely normal, so why can't Bardock wear different armour? Do you have billions of cameras, set up to spy on the population, and complain when they change clothes? You must have had a tough time watching DBZ. Pretty much every character has changed their clothes at one point or another.



TheGmGoken	Apr 18 2014, 01:40 AM Post #74
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Terror Apr 18 2014, 01:36 AM Comparing people complaining about SSJG to someone changing their clothes? Lmao. People change their clothes on a daily basis, it's completely normal, so why can't Bardock wear different armour? Do you have billions of cameras, set up to spy on the population, and complain when they change clothes? You must have had a tough time watching DBZ. Pretty much every character has changed their clothes at one point or another. Wow. Way to not read what I've been saying and taking things to literal. As I said that I don't like how Bardock looks in Minus. If you're going to mock me. At least read what I said.



+ Clearin	Apr 18 2014, 01:41 AM Post #75
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	ThePrinceOfSaiyajins Apr 18 2014, 12:54 AM Clearin Apr 17 2014, 09:56 PM The word canon's official definition (in this circumstance): "The works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine" Therefore the original Bardock movie is officially non-canon by definition of the word, since it was not the work of Akira Toriyama. There are multiple definitions of canon bud. Secondly, this definition is clear in the fact that it says recognized as genuine. The fact that this hasn't been officially placed, much like everything in Dragon Ball, means it isn't objectively canon. Quote: They're many official definition of canon. Hope you know that. Yes, I obviously know that or I wouldn't have said "in this circumstance". I was using the definition of canon that everyone else is talking about, the one that is relevant to the discussion.



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