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Just Read Dragon Ball Minus; And I have three things to say
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+ Emmeth	Apr 17 2014, 03:34 PM Post #46
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Kamikaze Pyro Apr 17 2014, 03:28 PM Emmeth Apr 17 2014, 03:10 PM Kamikaze Pyro Apr 17 2014, 03:03 PM Emmeth Apr 17 2014, 02:57 PM Akira Toriyama never used the word 'canon' or anything related about his series. That's a fan-term, and that's fine and dandy. The word 'canon' is a good thing if it's used in the right discussion and with respect. If someone goes of the handle because someone simply believes "Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo", that's when it stops being fun for most parts. Discussion is supposed to be fun and not a form for bullying. Well, all of our past debates have been utterly meaningless then. Shart. Depends on how you look at it, I guess. That mentality isn't really good, honestly. I'm just not sure where your newfound Saintism has come from, or why all of the sudden. 'Tis all. I don't understand you. Anyway, I get the feeling I have to read Minus now.
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+ Pyrus	Apr 17 2014, 03:50 PM Post #47
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Emmeth Apr 17 2014, 03:34 PM Kamikaze Pyro Apr 17 2014, 03:28 PM Emmeth Apr 17 2014, 03:10 PM Kamikaze Pyro Apr 17 2014, 03:03 PM Emmeth Apr 17 2014, 02:57 PM Akira Toriyama never used the word 'canon' or anything related about his series. That's a fan-term, and that's fine and dandy. The word 'canon' is a good thing if it's used in the right discussion and with respect. If someone goes of the handle because someone simply believes "Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo", that's when it stops being fun for most parts. Discussion is supposed to be fun and not a form for bullying. Well, all of our past debates have been utterly meaningless then. Shart. Depends on how you look at it, I guess. That mentality isn't really good, honestly. I'm just not sure where your newfound Saintism has come from, or why all of the sudden. 'Tis all. I don't understand you. Anyway, I get the feeling I have to read Minus now. I don't understand you, my wayward son. What is the "right discussion" and "with respect" in regards to canon? Please explain. Many inquiring readers want to know! Because the media is putting the spin on it that you're saying it's just wrong to do now, when before this thread popped up it was perfectly normal in this society. Darn foreigners, always bringing trouble to a well-oiled system...
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+ Kaboom	Apr 17 2014, 04:04 PM Post #48
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Something being "normal" doesn't mean it's important or has a point. The primary difference between me being over here enjoying Minus while other people are freaking out, getting mad, and even insulting Toriyama over it, is that I've never fussed or cared any more than Toriyama himself about what is or isn't "canon." Edited by Kaboom, Apr 17 2014, 04:04 PM.



+ Emmeth	Apr 17 2014, 04:18 PM Post #49
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Kamikaze Pyro Apr 17 2014, 03:50 PM I don't understand you, my wayward son. What is the "right discussion" and "with respect" in regards to canon? Please explain. Many inquiring readers want to know! Because the media is putting the spin on it that you're saying it's just wrong to do now, when before this thread popped up it was perfectly normal in this society. Darn foreigners, always bringing trouble to a well-oiled system... Don't use the term "canon" to humiliate people or making them not enjoy the franchise.
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+ Pyrus	Apr 17 2014, 05:26 PM Post #50
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Kaboom Apr 17 2014, 04:04 PM Something being "normal" doesn't mean it's important or has a point. The primary difference between me being over here enjoying Minus while other people are freaking out, getting mad, and even insulting Toriyama over it, is that I've never fussed or cared any more than Toriyama himself about what is or isn't "canon." I didn't give a care in the world about whether this was canon or not. I still don't. I stopped as soon as "this is canon/no it isn't/hurr durr/i'm gonna tell my mommy" became a central point of BOG discussions. I plain didn't like this little special addition for the content in it, not its social status or what-have-you. Emmeth Apr 17 2014, 04:18 PM Kamikaze Pyro Apr 17 2014, 03:50 PM I don't understand you, my wayward son. What is the "right discussion" and "with respect" in regards to canon? Please explain. Many inquiring readers want to know! Because the media is putting the spin on it that you're saying it's just wrong to do now, when before this thread popped up it was perfectly normal in this society. Darn foreigners, always bringing trouble to a well-oiled system... Don't use the term "canon" to humiliate people or making them not enjoy the franchise. Who's saying you can't enjoy something because it's not exactly the manga? I haven't seen anyone ever say you should be ashamed for enjoying the anime or any of the movies (except in the case of Bio-Broly, but that's different). Maybe I've just not been reading the posts much. Is someone literally saying this shouldn't be enjoyed because it's canon, or that they're inferior for thinking one way or the other? It's one thing to be discussing who's stronger between Goku and Gohan, and discrediting the anime because it isn't Toriyama's authentic work and you're trying to stick to one central subject. It's another if you're discussing the series as a whole and someone's being a douche to you because you prefer a movie over some part in the manga.
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+ Emmeth	Apr 17 2014, 06:54 PM Post #51
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Kamikaze Pyro Apr 17 2014, 05:26 PM Who's saying you can't enjoy something because it's not exactly the manga? Certainly not me.
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TheGmGoken	Apr 17 2014, 08:17 PM Post #52
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Ok. This might be nitpicking. Infact it is nitpicking. But one of my biggest issues with Dragonball Minus is Bardock's amour. Yea Kaboom is kinda right that they're now two separate versions of Bardock now(One for the Anime and One for the Manga. Though I disagree on him saying there is no need to compare them) and Bardock could have easily changed his amour(Would't make sense since he can't leave the planet so why would he change. Unless he cares for the smell ). But c'mon now. Now I know Toriyama doesn't have the best memory and most likely don't watch DB everyday. But he RE-READ THE MANGA for BoG right? So he could't remember Bardock's amour? Every single media source of Bardock has this amour. EVEN HIS OWN MANGA. IMHO I think when he drew that panel he had the Anime Special in his mind but he clearly forgotten it by now. It just bothers me so much. It makes me sad since it's just a little thing. I gotten over how crappy DBM is and learn to deal with it just like I did with BoG but I can't get over that damn amour. Like no one is going to think of Bardock in that amour no matter if they read minus(Unless they've never seen The special). Obviously a few people might prefer him in that amour. But seriously. How can Toriyama forget what his OWN characters are wearing. Yes I know Bardock isn't really Toriyama's character(Well now it is) to a degree. But Toriyama design him over that Rough Draft Bardock.



~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Apr 17 2014, 08:22 PM Post #53
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	Haven't read it, but I find this thread to be entertaining. When it comes to Canon/Non-Canon, that be a term created by fans. If you look past that stuff, who gives a f***? If you like something, consider it a part of the series. If you hate it, pretend it didn't exist. For example, I have never, ever heard of a game called WrestleMania 21, so shut up and don't talk about it.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 17 2014, 08:49 PM Post #54
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Here's the statement from toriyama I said I would post. Quote: This is taken from page 96 of the TV anime guide Son Goku Densetsu: – The “Dragon Ball” kanzenban have brought in new readers, and I think that as fans it’s only natural that they’d want to see a new “Dragon Ball Z” title. What would you think about making a new anime work about once a year or so? Toriyama: Oh, I’d like to see that. Nakatsuru: But by the final chapter, Goku had gotten pretty old. And even after that he was the main character for the anime-original “Dragon Ball GT”. If we’re going to be making stories left and right here, maybe we should rewind time a bit and make them stories set sometime in the past. Toriyama: I think so too. Instead of continuing the story further and further into the future, it’d be better to do a separate episode style of story development where you go back in time and go “this sort of enemy was here, and this sort of story”. Just say “it wasn’t in the original work, but this sort of story happened”. Maybe that would be better. Here's link http://www.kanzenshuu.com/production/toriyama/ Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 17 2014, 08:54 PM.
	IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle Top 7 favorite dbz heroes: 1. Sometimes it goku sometimes it's vegeta 2. ^ 3. Teen gohan 4. Future trunks 5. Piccolo 6. Adult gohan 7. Bardock


~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Apr 17 2014, 08:56 PM Post #55
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	That settles it. Toriyama just launched the canon ball. Lol.



+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 17 2014, 08:58 PM Post #56
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Terror Apr 17 2014, 08:56 PM That settles it. Toriyama just launched the canon ball. Lol. Don't know why but that sounds like sarcasm. Is it?
	IT'S CHEESE Spoiler: click to toggle Top 7 favorite dbz heroes: 1. Sometimes it goku sometimes it's vegeta 2. ^ 3. Teen gohan 4. Future trunks 5. Piccolo 6. Adult gohan 7. Bardock


+ Kaboom	Apr 17 2014, 09:27 PM Post #57
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Funny, I don't see the word "canon" in there anywhere. Nor do I see Toriyama saying anything like, "only the stuff I draw counts." He's not even talking about "canon" or exclusivity in that bolded paragraph. Read the question AND his answer. He's talking about picking time periods to set new stories in, specifically time periods in-between other stories that already exist. And so what if Bardock's not wearing the same armor in Minus as in his other stuff? Why does that even matter? Of all the things to complain about...



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 17 2014, 09:33 PM Post #58
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I think the appearance of a character being complained about is perfectly reasonable. Bardock looked better in Bardock the Father of Goku.
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TheGmGoken	Apr 17 2014, 09:50 PM Post #59
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Kaboom Apr 17 2014, 09:27 PM Funny, I don't see the word "canon" in there anywhere. Nor do I see Toriyama saying anything like, "only the stuff I draw counts." He's not even talking about "canon" or exclusivity in that bolded paragraph. Read the question AND his answer. He's talking about picking time periods to set new stories in, specifically time periods in-between other stories that already exist. And so what if Bardock's not wearing the same armor in Minus as in his other stuff? Why does that even matter? Of all the things to complain about... The same reason people complain about character designs. Same reason why people complain about animation, models, or art style. Why do that matter? It still telling the Db story. So why should it matter? Bardock armour might be a nitpick but still a reasonable complaint. If people complain about animation or on model design then its fine to complain on what the character wearing. I also complained about Goku outfit during BoG. Bardock looks terrible in Minus



+ Clearin	Apr 17 2014, 09:56 PM Post #60
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	The word canon's official definition (in this circumstance): "The works of a particular author or artist that are recognized as genuine" Therefore the original Bardock movie is officially non-canon by definition of the word, since it was not the work of Akira Toriyama.



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