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Just Read Dragon Ball Minus; And I have three things to say
Topic Started: Apr 14 2014, 09:40 PM (13,133 Views)
+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Apr 17 2014, 12:38 AM Post #31
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Vegeta wouldn't hang around low class scum during his childhood. Raditz was only his partner out of necessity as far as I'm concerned. Also, no, Jaco is a spin off manga. People can disregard it if they feel like it. Bardock the Father of Goku inspired Toriyama to include Bardock in his manga, that's how well done the special was. Bardock the Father of Goku will always hold precedence over this new special that Toriyama conjured for the sake of selling his new series IMO.
1. Of course it was out of necessity. Raditz was his partner not his friend.

2. Jaco is not a spin off. It was stated by both Akira Toriyama and Shueisha that it was a prequel to Dragonball. It was made directly by AT himself and he considers it part of the story.

3. You can have your own opinion, but that doesn't make it right. Just because I like Coolers Revenge I'm not going to say its canon even though AT said Frieza and King Cold were the only evil members of their race.

Chapter written by AT himself>>>TV special AT had nothing to do with.
The only part of the Nardock movie that's canon is Bardock vs Frieza and the planet being destroyed.
it's a spin off because it's focus is set on different characters. Anyway, I don't care whether Toriyama wrote it or not. He's proven time and again that he remembers little about his own series. I take Toei more seriously these days.
But nothing in Dragon Ball minus contradicts Dragon Ball canon. Bardock's movie wasn't canon then and it isn't canon now, but you can still watch it for entertainment value, so why does it matter?
The manga makes reference to Bardock the Father of Goku in case you had forgotten:
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The headband Bardock is wearing is clearly referencing the scene where Bardock took Toma's arm band out of respect. Bardock the Father of Goku makes more canonical sense than this special based on this single panel of the manga. I say this because Bardock is wearing traditional Saiyajin armor with no headband in Dragon Ball Minus. Truthfully Toriyama is long past his prime so I don't take his new stuff all that seriously, especially when it's a spin-off. I think Battle of Gods is a perfect compromise. It's Toei doing the work, but they have Toriyama to consult. Toriyama doesn't remember enough of his own work to work alone as far as I'm concerned. If people don't take issue with Dragon Ball Minus, by all means accept it as canon, I'm, however, too stubborn to accept this as canon.
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Beerus Apr 17 2014, 01:38 AM Post #32
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Apr 17 2014, 12:38 AM
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Beerus
Apr 15 2014, 04:45 AM
ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Apr 15 2014, 03:21 AM
Vegeta wouldn't hang around low class scum during his childhood. Raditz was only his partner out of necessity as far as I'm concerned. Also, no, Jaco is a spin off manga. People can disregard it if they feel like it. Bardock the Father of Goku inspired Toriyama to include Bardock in his manga, that's how well done the special was. Bardock the Father of Goku will always hold precedence over this new special that Toriyama conjured for the sake of selling his new series IMO.
1. Of course it was out of necessity. Raditz was his partner not his friend.

2. Jaco is not a spin off. It was stated by both Akira Toriyama and Shueisha that it was a prequel to Dragonball. It was made directly by AT himself and he considers it part of the story.

3. You can have your own opinion, but that doesn't make it right. Just because I like Coolers Revenge I'm not going to say its canon even though AT said Frieza and King Cold were the only evil members of their race.

Chapter written by AT himself>>>TV special AT had nothing to do with.
The only part of the Nardock movie that's canon is Bardock vs Frieza and the planet being destroyed.
it's a spin off because it's focus is set on different characters. Anyway, I don't care whether Toriyama wrote it or not. He's proven time and again that he remembers little about his own series. I take Toei more seriously these days.
But nothing in Dragon Ball minus contradicts Dragon Ball canon. Bardock's movie wasn't canon then and it isn't canon now, but you can still watch it for entertainment value, so why does it matter?
The manga makes reference to Bardock the Father of Goku in case you had forgotten:
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The headband Bardock is wearing is clearly referencing the scene where Bardock took Toma's arm band out of respect. Bardock the Father of Goku makes more canonical sense than this special based on this single panel of the manga. I say this because Bardock is wearing traditional Saiyajin armor with no headband in Dragon Ball Minus. Truthfully Toriyama is long past his prime so I don't take his new stuff all that seriously, especially when it's a spin-off. I think Battle of Gods is a perfect compromise. It's Toei doing the work, but they have Toriyama to consult. Toriyama doesn't remember enough of his own work to work alone as far as I'm concerned. If people don't take issue with Dragon Ball Minus, by all means accept it as canon, I'm, however, too stubborn to accept this as canon.
1. All the panel in the manga shows is that his fight with Friezais canon. DB Minus is a month before that. Logically he would have changed his clothes before that. The headband isn't even blood stained in the manga.

2. AT wasn't just "consulted" for BOG. He's said in multiple interviews that he practically wrote the whole thing himself.

3. He reread the entire series before he made BOG. He isn't some old idiot that forgot everything. BOG, Jaco, and DB Minus is how he considers the series happened, and since he's the creator/author that's how it is.

4. Prequel=/=Spin Off.

5. There's a difference between having your own preference and "personal canon" and what it actually is. Your preference and opinion=/=legit canon.
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SSJ Apr 17 2014, 01:45 AM Post #33
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 I don't think you have the right to tell anyone what is or isn't canon.
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Beerus Apr 17 2014, 01:55 AM Post #34
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I don't think you have the right to tell anyone what is or isn't canon.
I'm not trying to. Everyone can have their own opinions. My point is simply what AT considers part of the storyline.
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+ Ssj3vegito96 Apr 17 2014, 02:59 AM Post #35
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 So... What is more legit? Minus or bardock father of goku? In bardock father of goku bardock didn't know that early that frieza was up to something so that right there is a contradiction. And seeing how toriyama openly admits he's forgotten a lot, I think bardock father of goku is what we should go by. What you guys think?
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+ Kaboom Apr 17 2014, 03:21 AM Post #36
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 Dear Dende. The way some people are reacting, you'd think Toriyama personally broke into their homes and smashed their DVD or VHS copies of the Bardock special. Grow up a little, for crying out loud.

The TV special is still just as awesome as it ever was and it isn't going anywhere. It and Dragon Ball Minus are nothing more than alternate takes on the same character's story, one being a bit dramatic and grim while the other is more light. You're not required to stop liking one of them in favor of the other. Nor are you required to "accept" one and disregard the other. Don't worry about which one's more "legit" or "canon," and just enjoy things for their own sake.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans Apr 17 2014, 03:27 AM Post #37
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Dear Dende. The way some people are reacting, you'd think Toriyama personally broke into their homes and smashed their DVD or VHS copies of the Bardock special. Grow up a little, for crying out loud.

The TV special is still just as awesome as it ever was and it isn't going anywhere. It and Dragon Ball Minus are nothing more than alternate takes on the same character's story, one being a bit dramatic and grim while the other is more light. You're not required to stop liking one of them in favor of the other. Nor are you required to "accept" one and disregard the other. Don't worry about which one's more "legit" or "canon," and just enjoy things for their own sake.
The problem are the people who are trying to force Minus on us like Beerus. All this canon drama aside, I still don't like this thing. It was a cheap cash in that left me with very little to enjoy. Gine is cute for what it's worth, but that's about all that I got out of this.
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+ Kaboom Apr 17 2014, 03:36 AM Post #38
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 So if it didn't leave much of an impact on you... then that's all there is to it. Just get what enjoyment you can out of it and move on.

If anyone's shoving it in your face and saying, "THIS IS CANON NOW AND THE TV SPECIAL IS DEAD," I suggest merely repeating my mantra of "DB has no canon" and then whistling as you happily and metaphorically stroll away.
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+ Pyrus Apr 17 2014, 05:23 AM Post #39
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 I can think whatever I f***ing want about anything in this franchise and nobody can tell me I'm wrong because then they're wrong.
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+ Havoc_Wreaker Apr 17 2014, 05:43 AM Post #40
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retconning in dbz oh no, tis impossible
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+ Emmeth Apr 17 2014, 02:57 PM Post #41
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 Akira Toriyama never used the word 'canon' or anything related about his series. That's a fan-term, and that's fine and dandy.

The word 'canon' is a good thing if it's used in the right discussion and with respect. If someone goes of the handle because someone simply believes "Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo", that's when it stops being fun for most parts. Discussion is supposed to be fun and not a form for bullying.
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+ Pyrus Apr 17 2014, 03:03 PM Post #42
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Akira Toriyama never used the word 'canon' or anything related about his series. That's a fan-term, and that's fine and dandy.

The word 'canon' is a good thing if it's used in the right discussion and with respect. If someone goes of the handle because someone simply believes "Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo", that's when it stops being fun for most parts. Discussion is supposed to be fun and not a form for bullying.
Well, all of our past debates have been utterly meaningless then. Shart.
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+ Emmeth Apr 17 2014, 03:10 PM Post #43
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Akira Toriyama never used the word 'canon' or anything related about his series. That's a fan-term, and that's fine and dandy.

The word 'canon' is a good thing if it's used in the right discussion and with respect. If someone goes of the handle because someone simply believes "Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo", that's when it stops being fun for most parts. Discussion is supposed to be fun and not a form for bullying.
Well, all of our past debates have been utterly meaningless then. Shart.
Depends on how you look at it, I guess. That mentality isn't really good, honestly.
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+ Ssj3vegito96 Apr 17 2014, 03:11 PM Post #44
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 Doesn't really have to do with Minus but akira toriyama said a long time ago that BOG is supposed to be in the manga. I'm busy right now so I can't go and find the statement right now sorry. I will later
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+ Pyrus Apr 17 2014, 03:28 PM Post #45
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Akira Toriyama never used the word 'canon' or anything related about his series. That's a fan-term, and that's fine and dandy.

The word 'canon' is a good thing if it's used in the right discussion and with respect. If someone goes of the handle because someone simply believes "Pure Boo > Gohan-Boo", that's when it stops being fun for most parts. Discussion is supposed to be fun and not a form for bullying.
Well, all of our past debates have been utterly meaningless then. Shart.
Depends on how you look at it, I guess. That mentality isn't really good, honestly.
I'm just not sure where your newfound Saintism has come from, or why all of the sudden. 'Tis all.

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