ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 15 2014, 03:21 AM

Vegeta wouldn't hang around low class scum during his childhood. Raditz was only his partner out of necessity as far as I'm concerned. Also, no, Jaco is a spin off manga. People can disregard it if they feel like it. Bardock the Father of Goku inspired Toriyama to include Bardock in his manga, that's how well done the special was. Bardock the Father of Goku will always hold precedence over this new special that Toriyama conjured for the sake of selling his new series IMO.

Clearin

Apr 15 2014, 12:47 AM

Raditz even says that Goku "forgot" his mission. How the heck could you expect a week old baby to remember anything.

Of course from what I can remember, DB Minus contradicts this itself by saying Goku wasn't sent to destroy Earth, just to hide out for a while. Hell, they specifically told him not to look at the moon, when Raditz said that would have helped him get the job done faster.

Beerus

Apr 15 2014, 04:45 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 15 2014, 03:21 AM

Vegeta wouldn't hang around low class scum during his childhood. Raditz was only his partner out of necessity as far as I'm concerned. Also, no, Jaco is a spin off manga. People can disregard it if they feel like it. Bardock the Father of Goku inspired Toriyama to include Bardock in his manga, that's how well done the special was. Bardock the Father of Goku will always hold precedence over this new special that Toriyama conjured for the sake of selling his new series IMO.

1. Of course it was out of necessity. Raditz was his partner not his friend.

2. Jaco is not a spin off. It was stated by both Akira Toriyama and Shueisha that it was a prequel to Dragonball. It was made directly by AT himself and he considers it part of the story.

3. You can have your own opinion, but that doesn't make it right. Just because I like Coolers Revenge I'm not going to say its canon even though AT said Frieza and King Cold were the only evil members of their race.

Chapter written by AT himself>>>TV special AT had nothing to do with.
The only part of the Nardock movie that's canon is Bardock vs Frieza and the planet being destroyed.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 15 2014, 12:53 PM

Beerus

Apr 15 2014, 04:45 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Apr 15 2014, 03:21 AM

Vegeta wouldn't hang around low class scum during his childhood. Raditz was only his partner out of necessity as far as I'm concerned. Also, no, Jaco is a spin off manga. People can disregard it if they feel like it. Bardock the Father of Goku inspired Toriyama to include Bardock in his manga, that's how well done the special was. Bardock the Father of Goku will always hold precedence over this new special that Toriyama conjured for the sake of selling his new series IMO.

1. Of course it was out of necessity. Raditz was his partner not his friend.

2. Jaco is not a spin off. It was stated by both Akira Toriyama and Shueisha that it was a prequel to Dragonball. It was made directly by AT himself and he considers it part of the story.

3. You can have your own opinion, but that doesn't make it right. Just because I like Coolers Revenge I'm not going to say its canon even though AT said Frieza and King Cold were the only evil members of their race.

Chapter written by AT himself>>>TV special AT had nothing to do with.
The only part of the Nardock movie that's canon is Bardock vs Frieza and the planet being destroyed.

it's a spin off because it's focus is set on different characters. Anyway, I don't care whether Toriyama wrote it or not. He's proven time and again that he remembers little about his own series. I take Toei more seriously these days.

Yusuke Urameshi

Apr 15 2014, 01:13 AM

Never thought I would actually agree with Hitler

Kaboom

Apr 15 2014, 05:08 PM

I think people are WAAAAAAY too quick to either totally exclude something or declare facts about so-called "canon" at the slightest comment from Toriyama.

Toriyama writing his own version of Bardock's story doesn't make the original TV special any less awesome or enjoyable. Likewise, him only mentioning the two Freeza-clan characters he featured in the manga doesn't necessarily make Coola "impossible." He wrote manga featuring Kuriza, too, remember?

Toriyama designed and created the backstories for a lot of these movie- or anime-only characters as well. Just because he's primarily concerned with his own manga doesn't mean we have to write off everything else as irrelevant or meaningless.

Kaboom

Apr 15 2014, 07:11 PM

My point mainly being that people fuss way too much over what they think should or shouldn't be "canon." These additions, new or old and from Toriyama or otherwise, should be taken as an expansion of the Dragon Ball mythos, not a constriction.

FollowtheLeader

Apr 16 2014, 11:52 PM

Kaboom

Apr 15 2014, 07:11 PM

My point mainly being that people fuss way too much over what they think should or shouldn't be "canon." These additions, new or old and from Toriyama or otherwise, should be taken as an expansion of the Dragon Ball mythos, not a constriction.

But what f***ing point is there in expansion when your ideas suck a***? Toriyama really needs to stop doing anything DBZ related ever again. HE has no good ideas left, and all he does is go back and f*** with stuff that doesn't need to be messed with!

As far as I'm concerned, Bardock The Father of Goku is 100% cannon. It doesn't contradict much if anything, and shows how Bardock, a saiyan warrior, would have gone out. FIGHTING. Not sending his f***ing baby away in a space pod to be raised by the Kents. Oh wait, that last bit was Superman's origin, but f*** it, as this manga has no problem ripping off Superman even more than DBZ did before!