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The amplification of Kamehameha
Tweet Topic Started: Apr 14 2014, 06:44 PM (1,513 Views)
+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 14 2014, 07:33 PM Post #16
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	What about when cell learned instant transmission after seeing goku use it once? KHH is literally in his DNA you're telling me he can't master it in a short time but he learned instant transmission with no knowledge and seeing it once?
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SSJ	Apr 14 2014, 07:36 PM Post #17
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+ Emmeth	Apr 14 2014, 07:36 PM Post #18
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Ssj3vegito96 Apr 14 2014, 07:33 PM What about when cell learned instant transmission after seeing goku use it once? KHH is literally in his DNA you're telling me he can't master it in a short time but he learned instant transmission with no knowledge and seeing it once? I don't think anyone can explain that one properly. Cell saw Goku use it a couple of times. When he recreated himself, he must've absorbed some of Goku's remnant DNA fragments. That's my best guess.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Apr 14 2014, 07:43 PM Post #19
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	So when piccolo said cell got his KHH from saiyan saga goku was it because goku had never amped his KHH to that point before and gero used that one or is it because goku got better and better with the KHH and could charge/amp it for longer? I'm more inclined to go with the latter Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Apr 14 2014, 07:48 PM.
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lazerbem	Apr 14 2014, 08:13 PM Post #20
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	SuperSaiyan2 Apr 14 2014, 07:15 PM lazerbem Apr 14 2014, 07:14 PM SuperSaiyan2 Apr 14 2014, 07:10 PM I would agree with that notion. A rough list would be something like this Raditz Kamehameha: 2.22x Broly Kamehameha: 2.5x-3x Warp Kamehameha: 5x? This list assumes that it doesn't scale linearly Personally I would have the Broly KHH and the instant KHH pretty close. In the manga Goku doesn't really charge it for as long as the anime made it seem like. Granted, it was probably still longer than 10 seconds. Raditz: 2.22x Broly: 4x Cell: 5x Yes, but Toei makes the anime and the Broly movie and as such, we can use the anime as a benchmark this time
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SSJ	Apr 14 2014, 08:20 PM Post #21
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+ Kaboom	Apr 14 2014, 08:30 PM Post #22
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	I prefer the vague but reasonable answer of, "it can vary wildly," depending on things like charging time, the user's current condition, whether or not they're using ki for other things at the same time (like flying), and so forth. Edited by Kaboom, Apr 14 2014, 08:30 PM.



AvatarReiko	Apr 14 2014, 09:16 PM Post #23
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	I am neither for or against the whole 'amp' thing, but from my understanding of amp is that the user concentrates all or most his Ki into a Ki attack. Normal Ki attacks that are randomly and quickly fired are completely different to amp attacks. Its like when Cell fired a Kamehameha Ki Blast at Goku, which had enough destructive power to destroy the Earth. Goku warned Cell whilst he was charging and channeling his power that he shouldn't concentrate that much Ki into a single Kamehameha blast. 'He's concentrating all his Ki into something' Its similar to Vegeta's final flash against Cell that blew half his body into oblivion. A normal final flash or Galic gun wouldn't have worked on Cell as he was too powerful for any normal Ki attacks hence why Vegeta charged his attack and concentrated all his Ki into it, giving it an amp. I think it was stated somewhere the Vegeta's FF would have actually destroyed the planet had he not moved the blast slight up at the last minute hence why the blast skimmed the the surface of the Earth the way it did. Goku, during the warm up, fired a Kamehameha blast when he was flying up to which Cell deflected with ease. Then we later see later see him blow half of Cell's body off; so I guess this indicates that there is indeed an amp. Edited by AvatarReiko, Apr 14 2014, 10:16 PM.



+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Apr 14 2014, 11:00 PM Post #24
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I like to think the amps got smaller as the power levels got overwhelmingly large. Edited by ThePrinceOfSaiyans, Apr 14 2014, 11:00 PM.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Apr 15 2014, 12:34 AM Post #25
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	The amp really depends on the user and that user's condition, but we see about a 2.3x amp (give or take) when Raditz scales Goku's power when he's charging his Kamehameha. However, I do believe that the attack itself has a limit to the level of amp it can produce, and I believe that this is true for all attacks. The composition of the attack itself doesn't allow you to go over a certain amp, and there's no evidence of you actually being able to focus all of your ki into a tight area to amp it to ridiculous levels like you do with the Kikoho.
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Vertical	Apr 15 2014, 07:03 AM Post #26
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	How about something along the lines of the following: Numbers are examples only and may or may not applicable. Obviously, in general, a user's condition and the attacks charge time must be taken into account but for the sake of this example, I will ignore this. Normal Kamehameha: 1.5x Mastered Kamehameha: 2.5x Goku learns the Kamehameha. It starts out a little "low": 1.5x After having various battles and training time, Goku faces off against Piccolo Jr with his "Super Kamehameha": 2.5x During the battle with Vegeta, Goku must attempt to amp his own overall Ki and amp his attack's Ki to it's fullest: 1.5x (or 0x if you're silly enough to believe that) Although he's had a bit of time, it hasn't been long.. so during the battle with Freeza he's in the same spot: 1.5x During the 4 years post-Namek, Goku remasters his Kamehameha, unleashing it's full potential even while transformed: 2.5x Cell hasn't mastered the stacking method, and ends up using a 1.5x vs Piccolo. ...or something like that.
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AvatarReiko	Apr 15 2014, 08:38 AM Post #27
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	Vertical Apr 15 2014, 07:03 AM How about something along the lines of the following: Numbers are examples only and may or may not applicable. Obviously, in general, a user's condition and the attacks charge time must be taken into account but for the sake of this example, I will ignore this. Normal Kamehameha: 1.5x Mastered Kamehameha: 2.5x Goku learns the Kamehameha. It starts out a little "low": 1.5x After having various battles and training time, Goku faces off against Piccolo Jr with his "Super Kamehameha": 2.5x During the battle with Vegeta, Goku must attempt to amp his own overall Ki and amp his attack's Ki to it's fullest: 1.5x (or 0x if you're silly enough to believe that) Although he's had a bit of time, it hasn't been long.. so during the battle with Freeza he's in the same spot: 1.5x During the 4 years post-Namek, Goku remasters his Kamehameha, unleashing it's full potential even while transformed: 2.5x Cell hasn't mastered the stacking method, and ends up using a 1.5x vs Piccolo. ...or something like that. Cell's Kamehameha amp had enough power in it to destroy the the earth.



Vertical	Apr 15 2014, 10:09 AM Post #28
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	AvatarReiko Apr 15 2014, 08:38 AM Cell's Kamehameha amp had enough power in it to destroy the the earth. Vegeta's Galic Gun in the Saiyan Arc had enough power to destroy the Earth. What's your point?
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AvatarReiko	Apr 15 2014, 10:19 AM Post #29
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	Vertical Apr 15 2014, 10:09 AM AvatarReiko Apr 15 2014, 08:38 AM Cell's Kamehameha amp had enough power in it to destroy the the earth. Vegeta's Galic Gun in the Saiyan Arc had enough power to destroy the Earth. What's your point? My point is that it'd need more than 2.5x to blow up the earth



Vertical	Apr 15 2014, 11:16 AM Post #30
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	AvatarReiko Apr 15 2014, 10:19 AM Vertical Apr 15 2014, 10:09 AM AvatarReiko Apr 15 2014, 08:38 AM Cell's Kamehameha amp had enough power in it to destroy the the earth. Vegeta's Galic Gun in the Saiyan Arc had enough power to destroy the Earth. What's your point? My point is that it'd need more than 2.5x to blow up the earth So, you think that Cell is more than 2.5x weaker than Saiyan Arc Vegeta's Galic Gun?
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