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| How did Goku achieve SSJ3; The mechanics of SSJ3 | |
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| AvatarReiko | Apr 13 2014, 07:56 PM Post #1 |
 
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Unlike the other SSJ forms, which all involved an intense outburst of Anger from emotional trauma, and to an extent training, SSJ3 has been left rather ambiguous and vague. Goku mastered SSJ2 but how did Goku go about acceding once again and reaching this new stage. Furthermore, it this power could be sensed from the sacred world of the Kais, why wasn't Kabito and Supreme Kai aable to sense it when he first transformed -Did he meditetate -Is the form reachable by intensive training alone -Did he stand in one place and continue to power until he broke through the barrier -Was he aware of this new form or was it spontaneous like the others The list goes on. What are your thoughts |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Apr 13 2014, 08:09 PM Post #2 |
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"
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Super Saiyan transformations don't work in the way of simply powering up to reach the next transformation. Unless there's some kind of catalyst for the initial transformation, you need to make the conscious decision to change the dimensions of your body in order to gain a higher tier of power. So in the context, the physical change itself results in the ki increasing, not the other way around. You also have to be strong enough to pull it off in the first place because you actually need to use some ki in order to pull off the transformation. Super Saiyan 3 in achievement doesn't appear to be much different than SSj2. Super Saiyan 2 can be achieved through training, and there's no evidence of it needing an emotional catalyst in order for an initial transformation to take place. Applying your knowledge of ki control into the act of transforming seems to result in these advanced levels of Super Saiyans. Lack of ki control in a transformed state results in flawed forms like SSj Grade 2 and Grade 3. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Apr 13 2014, 08:16 PM.
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Apr 13 2014, 08:28 PM Post #3 |
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans
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Super Saiyan 3 seems to be a way of forcibly pushing all of your current potential power to the surface. I posit this theory due to the fact that Goku appeared to be in pain when transforming into SSJ3, as opposed to the other two. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Apr 13 2014, 08:31 PM Post #4 |
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Not exactly, it just took him longer because it's more of a change. And when he transforms later against Kid Boo in the manga, he does it as easily as he did with any of the other SSj forms. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Apr 13 2014, 08:33 PM Post #5 |
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True, valid point, but he could only maintain it for a short amount of time. He's putting himself into a state of physical pain trying to summon all the ki he can to the surface |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Apr 13 2014, 08:40 PM Post #6 |
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That's true, but the transformation itself burns the ki. The strain that SSj3 puts on him is too much, therefore he's unable to maintain it for a while. And it's understandable when you think about it. He's altered his body three times from his natural state. It's only logical that his body wouldn't like that many changes to it, and even if it gives him more power, his body would naturally want to revert to a form that its more comfortable with. |
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| Hearts | Apr 14 2014, 12:02 AM Post #7 |
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Goku explained SSJ 3 as reaching for something deep inside yourself and tapping into it... I dont remember when he said it but i think he did. So its different from SSJ and SSJ 2, if those two requires rage, this one requires inner peace. |
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| + Yusuke | Apr 14 2014, 02:43 AM Post #8 |
 
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Like what the above are saying, SSJ3 is something that can be achieved with extensive training as with all the other SSJ forms. Of course it really helps to have something trigger the SSJ transformation like having overwhelming rage built inside one (Goku after Frieza killing Krillin and Gohan when seeing his Friends suffer and 16 dying) but training is also a way to achieve the SSJ forms though it would most likely take longer to achieve. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Apr 14 2014, 04:17 AM Post #9 |
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I don't know if this counts, but Gotenks most likely did not have inner peace when he reached it. |
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| Vertical | Apr 14 2014, 06:40 AM Post #10 |
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Push ups, situps, and lots of juice. I can't see it being much different from how he "discovered" SSJGr2/3. After experiencing the SSJ and SSJ2 transformations... he probably had a general gist of how to go about reaching for the next transformation... and once he was strong enough to successfully achieve it, he did. Or... you know... SSJ3 is just what happens when you try some sort of Kaioken variant while SSJ2 ...or that's 2 parts to the same theory  ...
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| Amir | Apr 15 2014, 06:22 PM Post #11 |
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Super saiyan 3 was irrationally reached, as part of the writers' tendecy to keep vegeta weaker than Kakarot. "Vegeta is turning super saiyan 2 in a way higher power level than gohan did? So kakarot must reach super saiyan 3. How? Let's figure out an irrelevent to the plot way.... What can it be? Oh I know! Let's say it is something with Kakarot's deep inside himself... " That was my interpretation when I first saw it  Hope somebody will be able to prove it wrong. |
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| AvatarReiko | Apr 15 2014, 08:01 PM Post #12 |
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I think after mastering SSJ3, Goku decided to reach the next level in the same way ASSJ and USSJ forms by forcing an increase in Ki output and breaking the SSJ2 wall |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Apr 16 2014, 08:03 PM Post #13 |
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Not completely sure how they transform into ssj3 but it's certainly not just charging up. We know ssj1 is from rage and ssj2 is from rage. For ssj3 I'm thinking it's also with rage but the body needs a lot more training for it since it uses up so much energy. Goku was in otherworld in a dead body without having to worry about the strain while learning it so that helped him a lot. That would explain why vegeta couldn't do it even though he trained harder than goku did |
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| FunkDoc1112 | Apr 17 2014, 01:13 AM Post #14 |
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To me, considering the unnecessary effects the form has on your body and energy consumption, SSJ3 is probably a really extreme version of the Grades 1 and 2 forms - not achieved through a real catalyst like SSJ1 and 2, but just from doing a ton of training and pumping out an assload of energy at once. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Apr 17 2014, 10:36 AM Post #15 |
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The problem is though everyone is assuming that SSj2 is achieved through an emotional catalyst where, aside from Gohan who massively powers up under extreme distress anyway, we never see any evidence of this. The terms of Goku and Vegeta's ascensions aren't known. And Gohan's SSj2 was simply a result of his hidden power awakening, a component of his character that already existed. I'm also going to toss in a blasphemous claim, but to be entirely honest, there's also no evidence of even Super Saiyan needing an emotional catalyst for the initial ascension, at least not with everyone. Evidence to this is that we actually see Gohan's initial ascension in the manga, and he doesn't appear angry at all. It's almost as if the physical process itself was simply taught to him by Goku. Gohan also mentions later during his training for the Tenkaichi Budokai that he "learned" it from Goku, not that it simply happened one day during their training. It would also explain why most people see it as unlikely of the boys having the same emotional distress as the adults whenever it was that they first transformed. |
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