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Totally talked to Sean Schemmel today
Topic Started: Apr 10 2014, 06:25 PM (10,064 Views)
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(I could have sworn I already had an account here...! I guess not. I hate this to be my "first post", but...)

Anyway, I've been avoiding responding here for a while. I'm not sure if I'm even comfortable saying it ('cuz who wants to admit something like this?), but I've been a little torn up over this. Not quite "losing sleep", but rather upset. For a couple reasons, really: (1) It's an absolutely disgusting, slanderous attack on my character, and (2) Oh crap, did I ever actually say something like that?

So here's the deal.

Near as I can tell, none of this stuff that's been written about me ever happened. Based on that post from "The Assassin" (which is actually the second time I've seen accusations from said user of "sexist pig" here on this forum), I did a TON of digging around my own account. I looked through pages upon pages upon pages of search results based around my name, the "Fan-Works" section where that type of conversation may have taken place, etc. I finally came across the thread that was just linked here by another user, and yeah -- it looks like I didn't even really contribute to the discussion. It already fizzled out by the time I got to it.

And now I'm reading it was all in PMs. While I can't keep every PM I've ever received (I keep bumping up the server's limits but I'm always being forced to make room), I apparently have kept every PM I've sent going back to June 2011 - I guess that's the purge-point right now. I don't see a single instance of "Ketchup Revenge" in there, and 2012 seems to be the basis of these accusations, so the timeframes don't line up at all. I do see an account strike I issued, however, but I'm happy to keep those details private, beyond what was already stated publicly in the thread where it took place / was prompted.

So where I currently stand on this is:

- I still think it's a gross attack on my character.
- I personally can't find any evidence of it ever happening.
- It sounds absolutely nothing like anything I'd do or say.
- I'm not denying that it absolutely never happened, but see #1-#3. I'm not perfect, and I've been doing this since 1998 so it's super easy to pull up dumb shiz a young VegettoEX once said, but still.

Are you sure it was... me? Like, not someone else entirely, and hopefully not even remotely someone who's accountable to me? If there was this conversation with me, is there some context you're not sharing that would totally blow the lid off this?

I'd love to see this resolved, because It's horrifying to me - a grown, married, professional adult in as much a place of prominence in the Dragon Ball fan community as you could be - to read these kinds of things written about me. Contrary to what's been written about me here in this thread, I'm a super happy guy who loves doing what I do, loves sharing information and enjoyment of the franchise, and gets super down when other people are super down.

And then finally, regarding The Sean Schemmel Situation(TM), penguintruth speaks for Kanzenshuu as much as he speaks for Anime News Network or Anime World Order or any other website/blog/podcast he comments on which he does not own and operate himself: that is to say, not at all.
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Thank you for keeping this respectful VegettoEX.

This is just a reminder to keep things friendly here. As soon as any flaming begins, the thread will be closed and warnings will be given out as necessary.
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Yeah, my comments were directed at PenguinTruth and not Kanzenshuu as a whole.

I'm a member at Kanzenshuu and it's a pretty good place though theirs a few "rotten apples" so to speak that tend to ruin the positive atmosphere. Then again, every forum has this problem so I wouldn't point fingers at Kanzenshuu.
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Thanks for keeping it civil, VegettoEX. I'll be watching this, but I hope you guys don't escalate in an argument.

TBH Sean's attitude towards a polite invitation to join a forum wasn't so great. I'm not really sure he'd be a blast to have around if he keeps being like that, but I might as very well be wrong. :/
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Well, to be honest, like I said in the last thread revolving around Sean joining our forum, one singular experience like what he went through can really give pretty strong impressions, I for one know that before I joined this forum I had been burnt out on forums and practically given up on them due to either wretched communities or fast dying forums, I was cautious even to join this one, I lurked for about 8 months before I even made a membership, which just goes to show how a normal guy like me can be influenced by a bad experience or two.

Sean being a famous voice actor, he is probably conscious that his identity alone would draw in trolls and haters, even if a membership on a forum will inevitably lead to an argument or dispute of some kind eventually, in his case it would be worse.

No, I don't think Sean would deserve special treatment, I do think however if he were to join he should join under a username and give out his identity discreetly to anyone he wished to avoid people knowing of his identity, thus avoiding both the possibilities of him being harassed, and of people sucking up to him, which would likely cause many problems itself.

I'd advise Assassin to let him know our community is not to be judged based on past experiences, and that he should join discreetly, perhaps only notify an admin or moderator of his identity, if that, he seems like the kind of guy that would rather avoid the attention anyway.
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Apr 17 2014, 06:49 PM
I'm a super happy guy who loves doing what I do, loves sharing information and enjoyment of the franchise, and gets super down when other people are super down.
If you conducted yourself as sincerely on Kanzenshuu as you did here, I would never have come to the conclusion that you were unhappy. Not saying you're not sincere, but because so much of your presence on Kanzenshuu is business and warnings(most of which are probably exasperating), this is honestly the first time I've seen you post where I went "Oh! That's a human being." So I deeply apologize for my initial impression of you from my time spent on Kanzenshuu (and my initial impression was that you seemed angry all the time, I'm very glad it's dead wrong)! You just always seem intimidating on the foums, and I admit that when someone seems angry online I just assume they're scary and angry in life.

However, I'll admit that this being my first time seeing you so personable is probably because there's not really a place for personal ideas or connections on Kanzenshuu. As you said, Kanzenshuu is NOT a forum like this is. It is for DBZ news and debate and while it I think it really inspires looking at the show intelligently, I don't think it really fosters a community and site-wide friendship.

Which (yay for getting back on topic) is what I'm sure Schemmel expected. Most fan interaction that voice actors have come from two things)

1. Conventions
2. Fanmail (i.e. people who actively seek out the VA because they admire them)

Sean willingly put himself in a place where not only is the dub not the favored method of watching DBZ, and where people are used to saying what they want without care for the respect of others(because finding the truth is prioritized above friendship and rainbows), so I suppose it was a recipe for disaster. And from what I've seen, penguintruth didn't do a great job of representing Kanzenshuu as a Funi Dub fan community, but when it comes down to that, it isn't one.

Which, like I said before, I am most disappointed in Sean's response. Even if he didn't refer to DBZF, I'm a member of Kanzenshuu too. Am I an a*****? What makes me saddest is that the OP ended this with "Isnt that awesome?" No, it's not awesome. There is not a person in the world important enough to be able to treat others badly and have it be awesome. Without fans, do you think there would have been DBZ Kai, and thus a whole slew of new recording work for him?

While this may be stupid, VA's are sort of the faces of their shows and characters. Every interaction you have with a fan may be the first and last. You can't have a moment of weakness or else you are forever seen as a jerk in the eyes of someone who once deeply respected you. That is a heavy burden, but all jobs have them.

So, tldr;


- VegettoEx, I'm glad that you're happy, and once again apologize for the wrong impression, and you're not scary.
- Sean DID have a crappy time on Kanzenshuu, but it's a website for information, not community.
- One bad time is no excuse to condemn that whole website and it's members.
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Apr 17 2014, 06:49 PM
(I could have sworn I already had an account here...! I guess not. I hate this to be my "first post", but...)

Anyway, I've been avoiding responding here for a while. I'm not sure if I'm even comfortable saying it ('cuz who wants to admit something like this?), but I've been a little torn up over this. Not quite "losing sleep", but rather upset. For a couple reasons, really: (1) It's an absolutely disgusting, slanderous attack on my character, and (2) Oh crap, did I ever actually say something like that?

So here's the deal.

Near as I can tell, none of this stuff that's been written about me ever happened. Based on that post from "The Assassin" (which is actually the second time I've seen accusations from said user of "sexist pig" here on this forum), I did a TON of digging around my own account. I looked through pages upon pages upon pages of search results based around my name, the "Fan-Works" section where that type of conversation may have taken place, etc. I finally came across the thread that was just linked here by another user, and yeah -- it looks like I didn't even really contribute to the discussion. It already fizzled out by the time I got to it.

And now I'm reading it was all in PMs. While I can't keep every PM I've ever received (I keep bumping up the server's limits but I'm always being forced to make room), I apparently have kept every PM I've sent going back to June 2011 - I guess that's the purge-point right now. I don't see a single instance of "Ketchup Revenge" in there, and 2012 seems to be the basis of these accusations, so the timeframes don't line up at all. I do see an account strike I issued, however, but I'm happy to keep those details private, beyond what was already stated publicly in the thread where it took place / was prompted.

So where I currently stand on this is:

- I still think it's a gross attack on my character.
- I personally can't find any evidence of it ever happening.
- It sounds absolutely nothing like anything I'd do or say.
- I'm not denying that it absolutely never happened, but see #1-#3. I'm not perfect, and I've been doing this since 1998 so it's super easy to pull up dumb shiz a young VegettoEX once said, but still.

Are you sure it was... me? Like, not someone else entirely, and hopefully not even remotely someone who's accountable to me? If there was this conversation with me, is there some context you're not sharing that would totally blow the lid off this?

I'd love to see this resolved, because It's horrifying to me - a grown, married, professional adult in as much a place of prominence in the Dragon Ball fan community as you could be - to read these kinds of things written about me. Contrary to what's been written about me here in this thread, I'm a super happy guy who loves doing what I do, loves sharing information and enjoyment of the franchise, and gets super down when other people are super down.

And then finally, regarding The Sean Schemmel Situation(TM), penguintruth speaks for Kanzenshuu as much as he speaks for Anime News Network or Anime World Order or any other website/blog/podcast he comments on which he does not own and operate himself: that is to say, not at all.
I was more upset that you didn't agree with my POV about the borderline porn on the fanart thread, and the fact that you seemed to brush off my objections to the borderline porn as more as an annoyance instead of publicly enforcing your own rules by deleting clearly questionable material.

Whoever the other member was that I was arguing with said that toplessness wasn't nudity, and you and the mods seemed to make no effort to disagree with him. There was at least one pic on there that showed a topless Fasha in the background and you and the mods didn't do anything about it. There also showed a naked woman grinding on Vegetto's crotch (even if you couldn't really see anything). But the obvious suggestion was something that I found demeaning toward women and offensive.

Even if you didn't directly state anything of the sort, I just simply took that as you simply didn't care about the objections, and this was the reason why I viewed your actions as "sexist" and unfair.

Either way, it's not like it matters here.
I apologize for directly blaming you for those comments, because looking back now, I now see that it wasn't you. However, there also stands the fact that you did nothing about it except complain that it was an annoyance, despite it being your responsibility as well as the mods to enforce those rules that you put in place.

I just don't know any other way to see it other than sexist, because clearly, no one cared enough to enforce that rule of no nudity, or take what contained clear female nudity, down. Also none of the mods disagreed with that member about toplessness being nudity, as I already mentioned, not even yourself.

This is the one reason why I don't usually visit Kanzenshuu forums anymore because (when I did frequent there), no one enforced the rules consistently amongst the community. This wasn't only the nudity issue, it involved other things as well.

Even if this has nothing to do with me (and I could personally care less) Penguintruth's verbal harassment of Sean Schemmel seemed to fall on deaf ears as well. No mod seemed to care about that, even though Penguin was clearly being an a** to him.
I've gotten called out publicly before by yourself for unruly behavior, and I will admit it was for a good reason, but I rarely saw this happen with anyone else, despite these folks clearly breaking rules.
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If I'm honest, this is a debate to be taken up privately, this thread was to discuss the revival of the topic of possibly convincing Sean to come to DBZF.

I suggest this be taken elsewhere.
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Im on Kanzenshuu. They aren't a*****. Honestly shocked on the amount of hate. I prefer this forum as KanZ isn't a forum but a website with a forum. But besides some few people with strong opinions they aren't a*****. The Sean incident could happen anywhere. Honestly had it been Linda Young I would've done something similar.
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Im on Kanzenshuu. They aren't a*****. Honestly shocked on the amount of hate. I prefer this forum as KanZ isn't a forum but a website with a forum. But besides some few people with strong opinions they aren't a*****. The Sean incident could happen anywhere. Honestly had it been Linda Young I would've done something similar.
Why is that ok? While having a very public job means a person needs to prepare themselves for needless insults, it doesn't entitle you to deliver them. There may be fans of Linda who wouldn't get a chance to interact with her because rudeness makes her want to leave.


If an actor you don't like joins a forum or is at event, why not just be happy for the fans of them who enjoy their work?
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Ok I never said it was "ok". I can't explain it in English(I speak Korean in my house) so it might of sounded better in my head. I would give her my opinion on the voice in a respectful way in a deep conversation along with her fans. I didn't mean it as I would do the same as Truth. I meant it as I'll give my opinion just like he did. But he did it in an a***** d*** son of a gun way
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maybe he is already here ....you know/testin the board/

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You caught me.
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I thought you were Freeza? O_o
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