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Vegeta Helping Gohan
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zionhyome	Apr 9 2014, 10:12 PM Post #1
Posts: 71 Group: Member Member #11,088 Joined: March 22, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z Favourite Manga Last Fantasy	Why does everyone say that if it weren't for Vegeta, Gohan wouldn't have beaten Cell? No matter how many times I watch it, I always get the impression that if it hadn't been for Vegeta, Gohan wouldn't have almost lost. It seems to me that people just jump to Vegeta's defense over things that they have previously criticized other characters over, such as when Gohan got mad about Piccolo being killed, and attacked Nappa. Everyone called him am idiot, because "he knew he couldn't possibly beat Nappa". I just don't understand this double standard most people seem to have. I personally don't think either instance was particularly smart so it's not like I'm just doing the opposite, and defending Gohan while criticizing Vegeta.



+ Majin Vegeta	Apr 9 2014, 10:15 PM Post #2
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Vegeta gave Gohan the change to strike with he's Full Power at Cell, he did catch Cell by suprise and gave the Gohan the opportunity to take control of the beam struggle perhaps Gohan would have won anyway maybe, but Vegeta did help him and had a role on Gohan's victory.
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+ Emmeth	Apr 9 2014, 10:18 PM Post #3
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zionhyome	Apr 9 2014, 10:25 PM Post #4
Posts: 71 Group: Member Member #11,088 Joined: March 22, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z Favourite Manga Last Fantasy	What I'm talking about was when Gohan had to defend Vegeta against Cell, and got his arm broken. If Vegeta hadn't charged I'm, Gohan wouldn't have gotten his arm broken, and he wouldn't have need Vegeta's help in the end. Sure, after Gohan had been injured because of him, it helped him, but Gohan was plenty strong enough to beat Cell before. So, all Vegeta did was try and make it up to Gohan for having screwed him over already, but when you consider the danger he put everyone in, it just seems like too little too late. Sure, in the end it worked out, but when you consider the danger Vegeta put everyone in by charging in the way he did, especially after he was so against helping Gohan when everyone was sure he was gonna die, it doesn't seem like enough. Edited by zionhyome, Apr 9 2014, 10:26 PM.



+ Emmeth	Apr 9 2014, 10:28 PM Post #5
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lazerbem	Apr 10 2014, 02:24 AM Post #6
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	It's because Vegeta has one of the most undeserved fanbases of any character. Any "edgy" character is instantly loved by blind fanboys. Go on Youtube and see the verbal diareah that comes out of Vegeta videos. Stuff like Majin Vegeta being stronger than SSJ3 Goku, Final Flash being more powerful than Standing Kamehameha, etc.
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EMIYA	Apr 10 2014, 02:48 AM Post #7
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	The thing is, at that point Gohan wasn't strong enough. The sheer stress and damage he had received basically made him Cell's punching bag who was quite literally massacring him during the beam duel. Gohan needed both a moment to concentrate and release his power and at the same time get Cell's massive nuts out of his face long enough to take the advantage. Mind you, in the manga, the fight is actually very short. The moment it starts, Cell is basically a few seconds away from literally obliterating Gohan off the map along with the Earth. He's laughing his face off, no sweating and basically doing to Gohan what Gohan did to him in his Perfect Form...except in Beam Duel format. If it wasn't for Vegeta giving Gohan that helping hand, Gohan would never have gotten that concentration (or Cell's lack of) to get the advantage and turn the tables.



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Apr 10 2014, 03:00 AM Post #8
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	as well as goku giving gohan the motivation to use his power and goku himself giving his powers in the wave team effort by the three



+ Yusuke	Apr 10 2014, 03:14 AM Post #9
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I don't think SPC was too far behind SSJ2 Kid Gohan. SPC had no problem fighting a fully healthy Gohan and Gohan had no problem either putting the two quite close in power. Yeah, Vegeta kinda had to redeem himself in that moment. He already screwed the Z-Fighters before by letting Cell becoming Perfect and then mindlessly charging at SPC only to get Gohan injured in the process. Would be a real d*ck move for Vegeta to be idle during the entire beam struggle.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Apr 10 2014, 06:35 AM Post #10
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	zionhyome Apr 9 2014, 10:25 PM What I'm talking about was when Gohan had to defend Vegeta against Cell, and got his arm broken. If Vegeta hadn't charged I'm, Gohan wouldn't have gotten his arm broken, and he wouldn't have need Vegeta's help in the end. Sure, after Gohan had been injured because of him, it helped him, but Gohan was plenty strong enough to beat Cell before. So, all Vegeta did was try and make it up to Gohan for having screwed him over already, but when you consider the danger he put everyone in, it just seems like too little too late. Sure, in the end it worked out, but when you consider the danger Vegeta put everyone in by charging in the way he did, especially after he was so against helping Gohan when everyone was sure he was gonna die, it doesn't seem like enough. Well that's true, but going with this means that Vegeta is completly responsible from the revival of Majin Buu, thus the Buu Arc itshelf. Some thinks like that are needed in the manga.
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Vertical	Apr 10 2014, 06:54 AM Post #11
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Vegeta SSj4 Apr 10 2014, 06:35 AM zionhyome Apr 9 2014, 10:25 PM What I'm talking about was when Gohan had to defend Vegeta against Cell, and got his arm broken. If Vegeta hadn't charged I'm, Gohan wouldn't have gotten his arm broken, and he wouldn't have need Vegeta's help in the end. Sure, after Gohan had been injured because of him, it helped him, but Gohan was plenty strong enough to beat Cell before. So, all Vegeta did was try and make it up to Gohan for having screwed him over already, but when you consider the danger he put everyone in, it just seems like too little too late. Sure, in the end it worked out, but when you consider the danger Vegeta put everyone in by charging in the way he did, especially after he was so against helping Gohan when everyone was sure he was gonna die, it doesn't seem like enough. Well that's true, but going with this means that Vegeta is completly responsible from the revival of Majin Buu, thus the Buu Arc itshelf. Some thinks like that are needed in the manga. I thought Kaioshin was responsible... can you really see Yamu/Spopovich getting the drop on any of the Z-Senshi without his aide? They either die during the attempt, or are defeated and forced to reveal Babidi/Dabura... both of which are promptly dealt with.
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Beerus	Apr 10 2014, 06:59 AM Post #12
Posts: 124 Group: Member Member #10,497 Joined: November 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Vertical Apr 10 2014, 06:54 AM Vegeta SSj4 Apr 10 2014, 06:35 AM zionhyome Apr 9 2014, 10:25 PM What I'm talking about was when Gohan had to defend Vegeta against Cell, and got his arm broken. If Vegeta hadn't charged I'm, Gohan wouldn't have gotten his arm broken, and he wouldn't have need Vegeta's help in the end. Sure, after Gohan had been injured because of him, it helped him, but Gohan was plenty strong enough to beat Cell before. So, all Vegeta did was try and make it up to Gohan for having screwed him over already, but when you consider the danger he put everyone in, it just seems like too little too late. Sure, in the end it worked out, but when you consider the danger Vegeta put everyone in by charging in the way he did, especially after he was so against helping Gohan when everyone was sure he was gonna die, it doesn't seem like enough. Well that's true, but going with this means that Vegeta is completly responsible from the revival of Majin Buu, thus the Buu Arc itshelf. Some thinks like that are needed in the manga. I thought Kaioshin was responsible... can you really see Yamu/Spopovich getting the drop on any of the Z-Senshi without his aide? They either die during the attempt, or are defeated and forced to reveal Babidi/Dabura... both of which are promptly dealt with. Yeah, Supreme Kai was trying to stop Buu's revival and instead caused it.



AvatarReiko	Apr 10 2014, 07:01 AM Post #13
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	Considering the how powerful Cell was to Vegeta and how damaged he was, after cell's early stoke on him, I am surpassed that he was able to inflict any damage on SPC at all



zionhyome	Apr 10 2014, 05:36 PM Post #14
Posts: 71 Group: Member Member #11,088 Joined: March 22, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragonball Z Favourite Manga Last Fantasy	At the very least, Gohan was slightly stronger than Cell before Vegeta rushed in, causing him to get injured. But I'd wager that he still had the upper hand, given that a blast from someone who could barely keep up with Cell before his final power up was able to divert his concentration enough for Gohan to be able to finish him off in his weakened state. So, I don't think he would have had much problem defeating Cell if not for Vegeta. That's not to say that it wouldn't have been a challenge, but at least Gohan was finally in the mindset that he shouldn't play around with Cell any longer, and just finish things.



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