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| Gap between SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Vegito? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 9 2014, 09:57 PM (3,825 Views) | |
| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 07:43 PM Post #61 |
 
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Might have gotten a little aggravated in my last paragraph but i'll keep it in mind. |
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| Event Horizon | Apr 10 2014, 07:48 PM Post #62 |
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i dont think gotenks was ever stated to be sensed, but then again, long time since i read the manga. if hes not sensed then, ssj3 goku > ssj3 gotenks but that would contradict the manga. lol |
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| SSJ | Apr 10 2014, 07:49 PM Post #63 |
 
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They were watching the battle though. It doesn't need to be stated that they could feel him. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 08:05 PM Post #64 |
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if ur not outright sesned from kai realm and others are ur ki which determines strength is not as great as others is that simple to comprehend? if gotenks cant put out as much ki as goku and super buu can regardless of what goku says goku said gotenks is stronger yet he cant be outright sensed from kaio realm? goku said gotenks is stronger to satisfy piccolo or co so they would be happy if he didnt then they would question goku? lets put aside the gag scene for now, and instead of attacking me, why not counter my arguments |
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| SSJ | Apr 10 2014, 08:08 PM Post #65 |
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No. They were spectating the battle, there is no need to mention ki. Especially considering the fact that they were nearly equal, so there is basically nothing to sense. This is a case where they only need their eyes, not their sensing abilities, and that's what Toriyama gave us. |
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| Event Horizon | Apr 10 2014, 08:14 PM Post #66 |
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@havoc - so you believe ssj3 goku > ssj3 gotenks, seeing how goku was sensed and nothing mentioned about gotenks? |
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| + Pyrus | Apr 10 2014, 08:18 PM Post #67 |
 
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http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8581722&t=8348696 Take note of the last time this debate got brought up as well: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8348696/11/#post8581722 There's really nothing new being said here. Edited by Pyrus, Apr 10 2014, 08:19 PM.
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| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 08:21 PM Post #68 |
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Again, statements are more trustworthy over something like being sensed from anothsr place. Goku states that SSJ Gotenks Pre would be stronger than him and statements take precedent over things like that. Is that a hard concept to understand? Shouldn't be. The problem here is Goku isn't looking out to comfort anyone. He made his statement because he knew Gotenks would end up more powerful than him so don't insinuate that he was lying in his statement. That's something Goku wouldn't do especially if he wanted Gotenks to be the one to beat Fat Buu. Clearly him lying would neglect all of this. Put aside the gag scene? The gag scene was what brought us to this debate in the first place when I showed to you why Base Gotenks Post is stronger than SSJ Gotenks Pre. Thing is, I already countered everything you brought up. Your just pulling out some stuff that hardly helps what your saying and your doing your best to prolong this debate farther than it should be. I know i'm going to come off rude like this but it really ticks me off to no end when people do these things. Edited by Yusuke, Apr 10 2014, 08:31 PM.
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 08:31 PM Post #69 |
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thats why i asked if gotenks was sensed cause i tried to find it but couldn't smh darn, thanks kp lol goku did say all that to comfort piccolo and co its pretty simple goku originally cant beat buu and says gotenks is stronger then goku cause he cant beat buu right later he corrects this by saying he could beat buu placing himself HIGHER then thought basically making that statement void, im still with assassin on this gag scene, piccolo is a terrible judge of ki clearly shown several times in buu arc i doubt piccolo really thinks his base is now > his pre ssj hes more likely comparing base to base edit thanks kp for the topic u do know how it ends right? piccolo has doubts about pre ssj gotenks http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8587944&t=8348696 http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8348696/38/ and how gotenks can be stronger then fat buu bu weaker then goku still works http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8588133&t=8348696 Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Apr 10 2014, 08:41 PM.
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| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 08:49 PM Post #70 |
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Yeah, Goku would tell a white lie to Piccolo even if Gotenks was not strong enough to beat Buu. That just makes so much sense that I have no choice but to change my mind on the matter. Well, I can see exactly where this thread is going and I already said everything their needs to be said on this matter so if anyone wants to continue this that's fine. I'm not going to keep this up because I already countered Havoc's points a zillion times and the same point are bei g brought up again and again. Anything beyond this is going to be pointless flame. Ciao! |
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| SSJ | Apr 10 2014, 08:53 PM Post #71 |
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You know what I don't get? Piccolo is already suspicious that Goku could have beaten Boo, as Goku was killing him in the fight. Goku > Boo. However, Goku still says he couldn't beat Boo. Piccolo must have been thinking that he didn't have the power to get past Boo's regeneration, as it was pretty clear that Goku was superior. So knowing that you need a ki greater than Goku's to supposedly beat Boo, why the hell would Piccolo lie about Gotenks's ki? "Oh yeah Gotenks, you have great ki, but you are still weaker than Goku. I still think you can beat Boo though because I never said you couldn't!" See the contradiction? Piccolo only asks him about his movement because you need speed to win a fight. If Gotenks was too slow, he'd never be able to use his "good" ki against Boo. Case in point. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 08:57 PM Post #72 |
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the point was he had some doubt in his mind about gotenks where he never did with goku, he wanted goku to fight but goku refused twice i believe thats the point doubting vs not doubting no one has ever countered gokus is stronger later claim, EVER goku says gotenks is stronger then a goku who cant win against fat buu fair enough but now at kid buu goku nothing is said cept that is stronger then before |
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| SSJ | Apr 10 2014, 08:59 PM Post #73 |
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There is no doubt. Piccolo didn't see him move yet. Piccolo being a pretty smart guy knows that you need speed to win a fight. He needed to evaluate the speed to make sure Gotenks was quick enough. That is not being doubtful, it is questioning a vital battle component that he had no way of knowing. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 09:03 PM Post #74 |
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lol, if he asks something to be shown he clearly has some doubt in his mind he could have asked anything but the point is its a doubt piccolo didn't see anything, he didn't see his reflexes or strength ect.. only his ki thats just a bad excuse |
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| SSJ | Apr 10 2014, 09:04 PM Post #75 |
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How is that an excuse? How is Piccolo supposed to know how fast he is if he never saw him fly? It's simply a vital question. |
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