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| Gap between SSJ3 Goku and SSJ Vegito? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 9 2014, 09:57 PM (3,826 Views) | |
| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 05:21 PM Post #46 |
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doesnt matter how it happened what matters is that it did goku held back i gave u the definition SSJ Gotenks Pre > SSJ3 Goku is contradicted k, if goku didnt want to fight and wanted to stall which he did why would he lie to everyone and say he cant win, its cause he didnt want to fight, he wanted the ''newer generation'' to do it, thats why he said gotenks was stronger,if he said someone weaker then him would beat buu it wouldn't make sense and everyone would be like wtf, so he had to say stronger but we later found out that goku is indeed stronger then previously thought. now he doesnt explicitly imply that he would be stronger then gotenk pre but its implied Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…” he really didnt want to fight before but was forced, he later implies hes quite a bit stronger then before |
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| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 05:37 PM Post #47 |
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When did he ever say he couldn't win? All he said was that he wasn't sure if he could truly kill him. The fight itself showed SSJ3 Goku having a lead over Fat Buu and Goku never says he couldn't beat Fat Buu. Goku wouldn't just leave the Earth with a pink blob looking to end all of humanity if he didn't have someone that's stronger than Fat Buu. Do you really think he would do that? Once again, the quote you provided only helps SSJ3 Goku = Kid Buu > Fat Buu with Goku saying the kids could have handled Buu fused and Goku stating he's stronger than Fat Buu. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 05:46 PM Post #48 |
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Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P10.5-8 Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?” Goku: “Nah, I don’t know…When it comes to Majin Boo’s strength, it’s like a lie…I think that I probably couldn’t have won…” Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P11.1-3 Context: Goku tells Piccolo that he ‘probably’ couldn’t have defeated Boo with Super Saiyan 3 Piccolo: “…Probably? Knowing you, why didn’t you try until the very end?...Does it have to do with that energy…?” Goku: “No… I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…” he says he probs wouldn't win but piccolo doubts this and goku does somewhat contradict is earlier statement goku didnt want to fight buu so he told everyone he prolly cant win, so he said gotenks could if goku said gotenks was weaker but could beat buu that wouldnt make sense, goku HAD TO SAY gotenks was stronger or everyone would get mad at him and force him to beat buu it was a ruse to please buu so he wouldn't kill people Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3 Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!” Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…” Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Apr 10 2014, 06:00 PM.
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| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 06:07 PM Post #49 |
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Again with the quote you provided. All he's saying is that he wanted SSJ Gotenks to be the one to beat Buu because he felt he shouldn't have been the one to do it. How does this contradict Goku being stronger than Fat Buu at all? Clearly, their's no contradiction. Again, your missing the point. Goku's time on Earth was coming to a closure and he had to leave. Do you really think he's going to leave Earth in the hands of someone who's not capable of beating Buu? Do you think Goku is sick and twisted to do something like that? Goku saying Gotenks is stronger is uncontridicted and never hinted otherwise so why do you insist on it being untrue? |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 06:11 PM Post #50 |
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i edited my post he says he prolly cant win im not saying gotenks cant beat buu that much is obvious but goku saying gotenks was stronger was a clear ruse Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Apr 10 2014, 06:12 PM.
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| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 06:26 PM Post #51 |
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That goes back to what I was saying about Buu's ki being a lie. Goku is unsure of Buu's power as is Piccolo about determining how strong Fat Buu/Super Buu is. But based on the level Buu was at when he fought SSJ3 Goku, we can clearly see that Goku has an edge over Fat Buu similar to how the Buu Piccolo sensed eas enough for him to think SSJ Pre-Rosat Gotenks wouldn't win where as Base Post-RoSaT Gotenks could have a chance at beating. It's that simple. And with the last quote, Goku tells Piccolo that he told Buu someone stronger than him would come to him. Where was it ever shown that Goku was lying? It's not like he said "Haha I told that pink blob someone stronger would fight him even though I was clearly lying!". No lying on Goku's part. Edited by Yusuke, Apr 10 2014, 06:27 PM.
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| Dead SSJ2 Vegeta | Apr 10 2014, 06:28 PM Post #52 |
 
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My gap is over 18.000 
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 06:42 PM Post #53 |
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sigh its was a ruse goku had to say stronger if he didnt it wouldnt make sense and i just re read the manga a bit but can anyone find gotenk getting sensed from kai realm? we have goku being sensed Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2 Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3 Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…” Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…” Kibito: “Ab-absolutely unbelievable…To think that his power would reach as far as this sacred region.” and super buu Chapter: 486 (DBZ 292), P3.1 Goku: “…This is Majin Boo, right? This ki…what is it?...” Note: mostly I wanted to point out that Goku and co. can sense evil Boo from the Kaioshin Realm. and that appears to be without much trying, but Spoiler: click to toggle he only refers to them as kids, so goten and trunks separately, never gotenks, so if they focus they can sense goten and trunks cause if they really focus they can sense anyone, even humans from that far apart, or maybe just kaio can, cause hes a better senser here then goku Spoiler: click to toggle so does gotenks even get sensed? also about the gag this is what i forgot Spoiler: click to toggle why wouldnt piccolo be losing his mind right now Spoiler: click to toggle at least it went right, just useless hoping, thats al the whole battle was false hope |
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| SSJ | Apr 10 2014, 06:55 PM Post #54 |
 
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No. I'm referring to the gap between Goku and Vegetto. |
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| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 07:06 PM Post #55 |
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It does make sense because nothing contradicts what Goku said. Is this concept too hard to understand? Why should it matter if he was talking about the kids separately? All he was saying was that they were in the RoSaT and they couldn't be sensed. Like I said a zillion time already, whether or not the scene was a gag doesn't make Piccolo's statement invalid. Like I pointed out a million times before, the Piccolo Buu sensed was enough for him to think SSJ Pre-Rosat Gotenks couldn't get the job done where as Base Post-RoSaT Gotenks could. None of that is ever retracted so why do you keep on bringing up these things? |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 07:10 PM Post #56 |
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if gotenks isnt outright sensed and super buu and goku are from kaio realm ...... is it too hard to understand the situation in which he said it? ur taking everything at face value and not critically smh |
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| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 07:25 PM Post #57 |
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Being sensed from the Kaio realm shouldn't have any relevance in Goku's statement if he felt that Gotenks could at least beat Buu in his place. That's what i'm trying to get at here. It's better to take things at face value than to just ignore it and believe whatever I want. If that were the case, I would have SSJ3 Goku > Mystic Gohan but i'm not ignorant to say that. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Apr 10 2014, 07:28 PM Post #58 |
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thats not the importance of being felt if goku is felt and super buu is and gotenks isnt at least not outright gotenks isnt on gokus level then but he can beat buu all he wants thats why im saying i cant find gotenks being sensed, can anyone else? and im not ignoring anything, same could be said to you bud |
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| + Yusuke | Apr 10 2014, 07:39 PM Post #59 |
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Being felt from one place isn't enough to decide how strong a character is. We make that decision based on statements shown and we can clearly see Goku felt confident in letting Gotenks take his place and even admitted inferiority which was never contradicted? Why should that be disregarded over something like "he can't be sensed so he can't be strong" baloney? I ain't ignoring anything. I've been making my point throughout this thread that Piccolo sensed Buu and thought "Buu's going to kill Gotenks" and then sensed Base Gotenks Post and thought "he's actually going to win". Then we have Goku admitting inferiority to SSJ Gotenks Pre which was never contradicted and yet your trying to tell me that it is with irrelevant quotes that don't even support your points. It sounds to me that your basing your decision on what you want and not taking things at face value. Edited by Yusuke, Apr 10 2014, 07:39 PM.
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| SSJ | Apr 10 2014, 07:42 PM Post #60 |
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This is a good debate boys, but don't let it get out of hand. |
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