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Incest. Ok or no way?
Topic Started: Apr 9 2014, 05:38 PM (4,235 Views)
GrooseStrikesBack Apr 9 2014, 09:20 PM Post #16
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Thanks for spoiling Star Wars for me.
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* Ketchup Revenge Apr 9 2014, 09:45 PM Post #17
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

 As a stab at religion, how do you think Adam and Eve's children reproduced?
Incest.
Kane and Seth (Adam and Eve's lesser known son) got busy with their sisters. It's the only logical explanation.
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Krystal Apr 9 2014, 09:49 PM Post #18
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 Relationship-wise? A little squicky for me personally, but who am I to judge? Procreation-wise, you really shouldn't. It really does to a lot of harm to a child to not have a variety of genetics.


EDIT: Pretty crappy of me to disapprove of a relationship and not explain why. I dare anyone to show me a loving relationship where I can't find beauty, but it personally would give me the jeebers ifI married a man who ended up looking just like my Dad. XD But then again, I'm attracted to features that are so different than those found in my family, so that makes sense! But it doesn't mean that someone who is the exact opposite is wrong.
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lunar2 Apr 9 2014, 11:15 PM Post #19
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 well, let's go a bit further back then most people are willing to look.

btw, adam and eve's kids didn't necessarily marry their sisters. many denominations believe in the dual creation of man for that very reason. first, god spoke man into existence on the 6th day, and then he specifically made adam and eve in the garden of eden some time after that (but before the first rain, so, within a week or so).

anyway, the oldest definite reference to sibling incest we have is abraham and sarah. it is explicitly stated in the bible that sarah is abraham's half sister. so apparently, unless you're jewish, incest is okay, since god only ever told the israelites not to marry their immediate family members.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Master Gohan Apr 9 2014, 11:54 PM Post #20
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Apr 9 2014, 09:08 PM
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That's just gross. Just thinking about it makes me sick.

I think if you have incest sex you aren't right in the head.

Let's think about it this way...

Two people meet and fall in love. Then they discover, through whatever means and reasoning, that they are siblings. What do they do then? Stop being together just because society labels it "gross" and "not okay?" Personally, if I were in that position I would go against what society tells me if it meant being with the person I had fallen in love with, and I'm sure many people would do the same. I wonder how gay couples felt a couple of decades ago when they were killed in the streets simply for being different and because it was considered "gross" and "immoral." Today we have a lot more leniency toward that particular issue. Incest isn't the exact same issue, but it is very similar.

Incest was considered normal for hundreds of years and can be found in a surplus of history and literature pre-19th century. Cousins were often married off to each other to preserve high status or wealth. Ever heard the phrase "let's keep it within the family?" Keeping it within the family was actually the most desirable option back then, as it meant keeping within a higher status. Some cousins legitimately loved each other, as was the case with Queen Victoria and her cousin (what was it?) Albert? She fell for him and pursued him until they were married in their late teens, and they stayed married.

Siblings is taking it a step farther, I will admit, but only because in our society siblings live with each other until they are of age to leave the house and grow up with that close "sibling" bond (usually). However, it has been shown in history and in literature that siblings can and will fall in love with each other given the proper circumstances and societal/cultural exposures. Take, for example, the popular novel The Flowers in the Attic by VC Andrews, where two siblings fall in love with each other after being cooped up together in an attic for years by their abusive relative (I think it was the mother). Throughout the novel and its sequels, they learn to cope with their "weird" relationship and the child that they have together.

Going back before the publication of that particular book, loving sibling relationships have been recorded in both history and literature. I wish I had more examples to pull from off the top of my head, but I guess I could always go back and edit this post later on if I want to. Only in our modern society have familial relationship been viewed as disgusting. And why is that? Culture, obviously, as I have already mentioned multiple times.

And like someone else has already mentioned in this thread, you can develop sexual and loving feelings for someone that you already have a "sibling" bond with. There are multiple forms of love and relationships, so it's silly to limit yourself to one idea of love.

I'll use one more popular example. Luke and Leia from Star Wars. I'm sure if you can remember your first time watching the movie without any knowledge of it, you were rooting for Luke and Leia to get together and didn't mind their kiss. I'm sure they didn't mind it either. That is, until we discover that they're actually twins, and then we're repulsed. But why are we repulsed? It's obviously not because they don't go well together, because they do. They do have chemistry and love for one another. It's gross because in our modern society, siblings do not fall in love and kiss. That is disgusting.

See my point?
I don't like going back 500 years to justify things today. It's irrelevant, this is 2014, not 1300 or whatever.

As for Star Wars, as to why we feel repulsed, because we think about what if that was me with my sister? Nobody wants to think about being with their sister.

It's not even that I've been taught incest is wrong (It's not like my mother told me that) (That sounded weird)

I just really don't see a reason to even justify incest. Why do it? There are millions of girls you can meet, why your sister?
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+ Steve Apr 10 2014, 12:15 AM Post #21
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

 Well you probably know your sister better than any other girl if you lived together, maybe you're weird and other girls don't take the time to get to know you. There's as many reasons for it to happen as there is with anyone else, a sibling is practically a childhood friend just even more long term, what are the statistics for childhood friends ending up together in later life? I'm sure a large majority of couples knew each other as kids.
It's the same thing, genetics don't make you not attracted to family the social taboo of it makes people think it's disgusting and shouldn't happen so they suppress it and move on.

If both people want to do it, why not.


But where do you draw the line though? I don't think they should be allowed to have kids without being married or having been officially together for over say 5 years, to prove their commitment and it shouldn't be legal to have kids with your parents or grandparents.

That too, is it morally acceptable to let a girl who's just became of legal age have sexual relations with her 60 year old grandfather? Consent is consent but that doesn't mean he hasn't twisted her in to thinking it's a good idea. It's exactly the same situation as paedophillia, grooming I believe it's called.

Sibling and cousin incest is fine but when it crosses a generation the older party should know better imo, even if they didn't initiate it.
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Krystal Apr 10 2014, 12:49 AM Post #22
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I just really don't see a reason to even justify incest. Why do it? There are millions of girls you can meet, why your sister?


Steve
Apr 10 2014, 12:15 AM
Well you probably know your sister better than any other girl if you lived together, maybe you're weird and other girls don't take the time to get to know you. There's as many reasons for it to happen as there is with anyone else, a sibling is practically a childhood friend just even more long term, what are the statistics for childhood friends ending up together in later life? I'm sure a large majority of couples knew each other as kids.

That too, is it morally acceptable to let a girl who's just became of legal age have sexual relations with her 60 year old grandfather? Consent is consent but that doesn't mean he hasn't twisted her in to thinking it's a good idea. It's exactly the same situation as paedophillia, grooming I believe it's called.

Sibling and cousin incest is fine but when it crosses a generation the older party should know better imo, even if they didn't initiate it.



I think Steve hit the nail on the head here. Your family knows you better than anyone in some cases. If two young people mature at the same time as two childhood friends would, knowing eachother's secrets, hopes, fears, and generally want to spend the rest of their lives together, then I can understand how romantic feelings would develop.


It's a little fuzzier in age gap incestual relationships. Even if it's a girl who barely legal, she is still legal. If they see nothing wrong with incest with someone who is their age, why would they see something wrong with incest with someone who is older? Same goes for Grandpa. If incest is okay to him at ALL, why would something as trivial as the woman's age be of importance? :p
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+ Steve Apr 10 2014, 02:02 AM Post #23
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

 It's not so much the age gap that is the problem it's the immaturity of the barely legal child, in some cases they could be more mature about it than the grandparent but I'm sure that's not very common :p

You trust your elders, whatever they teach you it's obviously a good idea it's not going to come across as anything creepy to someone who doesn't fully understand the situation, people of the same general age group don't really have the capacity to take advantage of each other like that because they're at similar levels of knowledge, typically.

I just don't think it's right to let a grandparent and grandchild have a sexual relationship when the grandparent has completely influenced it rather than there being a mutual and romantic love. Perhaps the grandchild has come to feel that kind of love for them but if it's not in any kind of natural way I can't find that acceptable.

Can't imagine it's very often young inexperienced people become attracted to their grandparents, don't know the statistics but willing to bet in most cases the grandparent is the instigator.


If the grandchild is like 20 and already experienced with sex then that's ok, don't like the thought of it myself but hey if they want to and both understand the situation.
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Vegetachu Apr 10 2014, 02:18 AM Post #24
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 Ewww no way!!!!
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EMIYA Apr 10 2014, 02:41 AM Post #25
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 The immaturity of some these posts astounds me. Hey people, instead of going "Ugh! This is disgusting!" why not give a reason for it. For example I gave a reason for the potential biological and psychological expectations, taking on a neutral pathway by expressing the factual evidence on the matter while remaining morally indifferent.
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Master Gohan Apr 10 2014, 02:44 AM Post #26
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The immaturity of some these posts astounds me. Hey people, instead of going "Ugh! This is disgusting!" why not give a reason for it. For example I gave a reason for the potential biological and psychological expectations, taking on a neutral pathway by expressing the factual evidence on the matter while remaining morally indifferent.
Why is it disgusting? Because the thought of having sex with my own sister is the most disgusting thing I've ever thought of. I honestly see no way you can justify incest with a sibling that you've known all your life. It's gross and I refuse to believe in any way you can try and see it as something that is alright.

I have never met or seen anyone okay with incest, you guys are the first. Don't know what to say guys, really.
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EMIYA Apr 10 2014, 02:50 AM Post #27
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 One of the many reasons why morals shouldn't be part of a debate.
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Krystal Apr 10 2014, 02:51 AM Post #28
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The immaturity of some these posts astounds me. Hey people, instead of going "Ugh! This is disgusting!" why not give a reason for it. For example I gave a reason for the potential biological and psychological expectations, taking on a neutral pathway by expressing the factual evidence on the matter while remaining morally indifferent.
Why is it disgusting? Because the thought of having sex with my own sister is the most disgusting thing I've ever thought of. I honestly see no way you can justify incest with a sibling that you've known all your life. It's gross and I refuse to believe in any way you can try and see it as something that is alright.

I have never met or seen anyone okay with incest, you guys are the first. Don't know what to say guys, really.
Because it's more than sex? Romantic love is one of the most illogical things in the world. I mean, we as human beings are animals. Our instincts are to survive, eat, sleep, go to the bathroom, and procreate.

To find someone at all that you would die for for no reason, who's happiness you put before your own with nothing in return, is biologically insane! Love is crazy in general, so at what point are we free to judge which loves are better than others?
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Vegetachu Apr 10 2014, 03:09 AM Post #29
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The immaturity of some these posts astounds me. Hey people, instead of going "Ugh! This is disgusting!" why not give a reason for it. For example I gave a reason for the potential biological and psychological expectations, taking on a neutral pathway by expressing the factual evidence on the matter while remaining morally indifferent.
Why is it disgusting? Because the thought of having sex with my own sister is the most disgusting thing I've ever thought of. I honestly see no way you can justify incest with a sibling that you've known all your life. It's gross and I refuse to believe in any way you can try and see it as something that is alright.

I have never met or seen anyone okay with incest, you guys are the first. Don't know what to say guys, really.
I agree with everything you said.
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EMIYA Apr 10 2014, 03:18 AM Post #30
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 You know what's disgusting? Black people. I don't see why anybody of color should be allowed anywhere but on a plantation where they belong. Giving people of color rights is wrong and the sooner we put them back in their place the better.

Notice how that proved nothing but just expressing some moral excuse because I couldn't bother giving a rational reason for my dislike? That's exactly how many of you are coming off. Here's an idea people, something is not wrong just because you don't like it. That's the same sad excuse that has caused the issue of rights being denied across history.
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