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| Imperfect cell vs narutoverse; How long can they survive? | |
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| Culpeaus | Apr 7 2014, 09:00 PM Post #1 |
 
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After cell steals trunks time machine , the machine glitches out and imperfect cell ends up in the Naruto universe While there are no androids to absorb, his goal and tactics are the same, to absorb as many people as he can and get powerful as possible How long do the heroes hold out before being killed/absorbed? How does this newly discovered universe fair ? |
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| + Steve | Apr 8 2014, 02:29 PM Post #16 |
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Who knows how strong the blast was though the blast might not have been all that powerful just big and powerful enough to destroy mostly rock, which isn't hard in DBZ levels the scale of an explosion isn't necessarily the power of it. Not that Namek blowing up makes any sense anyway. Fire can be as hot as 3500 degrees and higher than that, to set fire on fire and still burn in water Amaterasu has to be something like double that heat, at least which genuinely is the heat of the surface of the sun so that should definitely burn Cell. What's that about 7 days? The fire would burn forever. Although if he flew in to space maybe it wouldn't it's never been shown to burn in an environment devoid of oxygen IIRC but it manages to burn in water so it probably would, perhaps just not forever. I doubt Cell would be smart enough to go in to space and try it anyway. His regen is whole body parts too, none of his scratches or anything from fights ever heal on their own he wouldn't heal the constant minor damage it inflicts and would continue to inflict down to the last cell of his body. |
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| + supersaqer | Apr 8 2014, 04:36 PM Post #17 |
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This thread is meaningless in many ways. Cell just takes the fight instantly. None could react to him, nor do anything to him. It all ends in an instant. |
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| Ahri | Apr 8 2014, 09:37 PM Post #18 |
 
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dear god troll topics like this still exist? LOL |
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| lunar2 | Apr 8 2014, 11:30 PM Post #19 |
 
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1. we aren't talking about the power of the blast, we are talking about the heat of the explosion. ki blasts aren't particularly hot. they may generate some heat through friction with the air, but they aren't hot on their own. the explosion of a planet on the other hand, is very hot. much hotter than the surface of the sun. 2. setting fire on fire and burning underwater aren't heat feats. they're just stupid. just like freezing fire doesn't mean your ice is colder than normal, it just means it's magic and breaks the rules. 3. amaterasu lasts 7 days and 7 nights. it does not burn forever. if it did, the entire world would have been consumed by the first ever amaterasu. there are also things it can't burn, like gaara's sand. so amaterasu is far from full-proof. 4. you doubt cell would be smart enough to go into space or under water to put out a fire? cell, the guy who's got piccolo's brain, isn't smart enough to think of going somewhere without oxygen to put out a fire? c'mon, man, at least try. 5. his regen is at a cellular level. the reason his scratches never regen is because he doesn't waste the ki to do it. remember that his regen is consciously triggered, it's not automatic. if you can regenerate an arm, you can regenerate something much smaller than an arm. @supersaqer. actually, the high tier naruto characters do have the speed to react to cell. ntcm naruto, for example, is so fast he's compared to teleportation over short distances. whereas the dbz version of teleportation is useful even in a fight against perfect cell. so no, this is actually not a meaningless thread. there are several jutsu that could potentially harm or otherwise defeat cell. the only question is whether the ninjas that can use those jutsu can pull them off. obito, for example, would almost certainly defeat cell. he's fast enough to react to naruto, he can avoid getting hit by cell, and he can simply teleport cell to the kamui dimension, where cell would be trapped. yes, in a straight up fight, cell would beat absolutely anyone in the narutoverse. but we aren't talking about a straight up fight here. |
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actually ki blasts are pretty hot on there own Hot Ki Blasts Edit:Did lunar actually say someone in Naruto can react to cell? LMAO i'm outta here Edited by King Kakarot, Apr 9 2014, 12:01 AM.
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| + Steve | Apr 9 2014, 12:38 AM Post #21 |
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Yeah they can, like it or not DB characters. contrary to popular belief do not move around a light speed or higher the only person close to that ever is people who use Instant Transmission. Naruto characters can't really move as fast as them easily but many could watch Cell coming to them slowly and prepare their attack, just few would actually do anything to him. When does it ever say Amaterasu stops? It doesn't seem to spread like conventional fire, given that Ay stands and talks for a while while he's burning. Can't really tell how hot a planet exploding would be as it's an explosion that makes no sense, the planet doesn't have a core how does it even explode... |
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| lunar2 | Apr 9 2014, 12:42 AM Post #22 |
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teleportation is teleportation. naruto is capable of moving at a speed compared to teleportation, and characters are capable of reacting to him. if they are capable of reacting to him, they are capable of reacting to any other character, from any series, who moves at an equivalent speed. teleportation was a valid combat tactic against perfect cell. you may not like it, but the facts speak for themselves. high tier naruto characters are extremely fast when it comes to combat speed. also, you only need to get a steak to an internal temperature of 165 f to cook it. that's nothing compared to the heat released by a planetary explosion. so no, when it comes to things like real world high end explosions, much less planets blowing up, ki blasts are not very hot. if they were, there wouldn't have been a steak left after gohan shot it. @steve. i don't know where it is stated that amaterasu burns for 7 days. the first 2 pages of google just get me a bunch of references that it burns for 7 days, but nothing about where that information is stated. a planet blowing up makes plenty of sense, actually. you just need to put enough energy into the core. the pressure of the core increases to the point that it blows the crust off, and the entire thing rapidly expands. but here's the thing. any time you increase the pressure of something, you also increase the temperature. and the core of an earth sized planet starts off at a very high temperature. in fact, earth's core is about 6,000 C, or close to the temperature of the surface of the sun. and that's just the regular temperature. the temperature at the moment of explosion would be much, much higher. so even if amaterasu is as hot as the surface of the sun, what frieza survived was several times hotter. the temperature for earth's core, btw, comes from the april 2013 issue of science, so it's fairly up to date. Edited by lunar2, Apr 9 2014, 01:03 AM.
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| + Solid Snake | Apr 9 2014, 12:54 AM Post #23 |
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Lunar so can Wesker be near teleportation speed? He was using pure speed but viewable, it could be mistaken for teleporting. |
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| lunar2 | Apr 9 2014, 01:08 AM Post #24 |
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who is wesker? and no, simply moving fast enough the eyes can't track is nowhere near teleportation. real martial artists can punch fast enough you don't see their hands move. the untrained eye actually tracks pretty slowly, which is what causes blur and loss of detail when you are trying to watch a fast moving object. naruto was explicitly stated to be comparable in speed to his dad, who used teleportation to move about the battle field. so in practical terms, naruto is as fast as teleportation over short distances (within a hundred feet or so). and several characters, such as the raikage, are actually capable of tracking his movements and reacting to them. |
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| Mihawk | Apr 9 2014, 02:52 AM Post #25 |
 
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So he's smart enough to disable the flames in space but not smart enough to one shot all of the potential threats? |
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| lunar2 | Apr 9 2014, 03:39 AM Post #26 |
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he has no way to know what the potential threats are. remember, for everyone except for maybe madara, naruto, and bee, on a pl scale they'd probably show up under 1,000. obito never struck me as particularly powerful, he's just got hax abilities. same with pain, or kakashi. but all 3 of them could defeat cell in some way, and pain can kill him outright. madara could kill him to. and like i said, if sasori's poison works on contact, not just injury, then even he could potentially kill cell. but none of these would be cell's first target. as for the space thing. 1. i don't think that would work. barring certain techniques, you can't extinguish amaterasu before its time. 2. cell wouldn't actually need to do that. his heat resistance should be high enough to take a trip through the sun's outer layer without damage. a little fire, even an especially hot one like amaterasu, isn't going to give him any trouble. i was just pointing out that going under water or into space is kind of an obvious thing to do if you are on fire (and have the super powers that let you do those types of things), so to say that someone with a piccolo level of intelligence isn't smart enough to do that doesn't really make sense. so yeah, if cell actually had relevant, up to date information on characters in the narutoverse (say, he got hold of a shipment of the latest version of all the different bingo books), then yes, cell would solo the verse. he would wait, and plan out his attack, and use cell juniors and multiform clones to test his opponents' abilities before he figured out how best to approach them. but he doesn't have that information, so he's going to go on a similar method as he used in dragonball. he's going to hide, and try to ambush everybody. despite something like a 10th of all ninjas being able to sense chakra (which he doesn't know about to hide from, even though he might anyway just from habit), and a good portion of the rest having sensory type abilities that he can't hide from, like super smell, super hearing, or super sight. although honestly, i would absolutely love to see him try to attack tsunade, sakura, or naruto, just to get wrestled to the ground. if he blasted them, they would be finished, but if he closes on them, he's going to get pinned quickly. sure, he could just fly out of it, but it would still be hilarious to see. |
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| + supersaqer | Apr 9 2014, 11:18 AM Post #27 |
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Cell getting wrestled to the ground by Tsunade, Sakura, and Naruto? Are you serious? Cell punches them to the moon. Lol at anyone in Naruto actually reacting to him, or even sense him. The Z Fighters couldn't sense him, and they have much better sensing than anyone in Naruto. Cell destroys Naruto in a blink of an eye. |
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| + Steve | Apr 9 2014, 12:45 PM Post #28 |
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How the hell do they have better sensing? Naruto characters can hear peoples heartbeats from metres away their senses are far superior, the only person with decent senses is Goku as a kid with his smell really. Naruto could sense him too because he can sense emotion, Cell couldn't suppress his evil intentions and would not have a clue how to. Show us proof of DBZ characters being as fast as you think they are, speed doesn't scale linearly with PL. As Lunar points out usually it takes Gohan like half an hour to get to school from his home(he knows the numbers) so he doesn't fly at light speed or anything. And if someone can only fly at a couple of thousand miles an hour they can't fight at light speed that's just beyond ridiculous. None of their physical strengths are that high either nobody chucks anything like an at least 1000 ton rhino in to the air effortlessly. DBZ characters can blow up stuff, that's all they have and it's not really usable in a fight, especially not against someone faster than you or as fast. Though I still feel only Amaterasu users and Obito would win. Maybe Ginraku and Kinkaku too if they used the treasured tools. Or actually, Totsuka blade? Guess it might have trouble sealing someone so powerful. As for the heat of a planet explosion it's going to be hot but we don't know what Frieza got hit by, he might have just been launched away by the initial shockwave given that there was rubble around him he'd had to have been in a part of the explosion where it wasn't hot enough to melt rock which is around the 3000 degrees range I think, possibly a bit less or more. So he would have just got pushed away and taken some explosive damage not been burned by the full heat. Does #16 burn Cell with his laser eyes in canon? We don't really know how hot his lasers were but good ones burn at 3000, enough to boil steel. He wouldn't have the space inside him to fit anything more powerful than that as lasers get pretty big. |
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| lunar2 | Apr 9 2014, 07:21 PM Post #29 |
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i think #16's lasers, like the androids' other attacks, were based on artificial ki. the attacks worked the same way as normal ki attacks, because that's the only way to generate that much power in that small of a package (seriously, no laser small enough to fit inside a human head is doing any real damage). as for the heat of a planet's explosion, it would be carried by the shockwave. it wouldn't be prolonged exposure capable of actually melting rocks. but frieza would have been exposed to that extreme temperature at least momentarily. yes, it is only a short term exposure, but it is still several times the temperature of amaterasu. dbz characters also have extreme durability to kinetic energy, such as g forces and pressure. they can also deliver devastating physical attacks. what they lack is speed (compared to other fiction, not compared to real life) and slow twitch muscle strength. yes, cell could kill tsunade with a punch, but wrestling isn't about punching. tsunade can overpower cell in a physical contest, because she has the slow twitch muscle strength to push him into whatever position she wants. same goes with sakura, naruto, and presumably anyone else with access to sage mode, such as kabuto (although kabuto never actually demonstrated that level of strength, and he uses a different method to reach sage mode, so we can't know for sure what he can do). killer bee could probably do it, too, if he's using the 8 tails' form. any uchiha with 2 mangekyo sharingan could possibly do it with susanoo, too. |
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| + Steve | Apr 10 2014, 12:44 AM Post #30 |
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If the heat of the explosion is what damaged him then why wouldn't it have destroyed him completely? If he was surrounded by the full heat of it then he'd have been destroyed from the outside in but a lot of what was left of him's skin survived, he should have been burned all over at the very least if the heat is what got to him, not just parts of him. Well the rest of the laser could have been in his torso. And like you said Ki isn't very hot but Cell was visibly burned by the lasers not damaged by the standard means so the heat was what caused the damage and pain. Yeah DB characters have poor physical strength compared to Naruto characters it's basically them smashing their energy in to things that does the damage not muscles. Evidence to this, Raditz not being able to pry Goku off him, Cell not being able to pry #16 off him even though he's MUCH stronger, clearly. Can't remember any more examples but there's probably more, Cell one is a biggie. #16 was only as strong as Imperfect Cell yet Perfect Cell leagues ahead of him couldn't overpower his strength. Another advantage Narutoverse has is that they're not weaklings, when he's injured Cell screams in pain and is left quite open where Naruto characters fairly regularly lose arms and they just get on with it nobody in DB casually deals with pain. Based on the latest chapter Gai could obliterate Cell with sheer physical power too. Spoiler: click to toggle
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