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| Noir | Apr 7 2014, 07:50 PM Post #31 |
 
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Both do the flying headbutt Both were the working wrestlers rewarded at the big stage in the name of all the jobbers/workers Both technical as you said, but both are fast paced in your face stylistically too Those plus the ones you said are just the similarities off the top of my head |
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Apr 7 2014, 07:51 PM Post #32 |
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Bryan probably has more in common with Benoit than his son, David. |
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Apr 7 2014, 07:52 PM Post #33 |
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but daniel bryan seems like a nicer person & seems genuinely nice ...chris benoit I dn't knw abt |
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| i am wolf the noob lol | Apr 7 2014, 07:55 PM Post #34 |
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A person that is egotistical? Wow, that's something completely new to me. Never heard of people being that. "60 year old"? The Undertaker isn't much better when it comes to age. You do know that Hogan had the whole world behind him aswell, right? So that point wasn't really that great. If you compare the skills of the wrestlers nowadays with back then, then most wrestler back then are pretty average. |
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Apr 7 2014, 07:56 PM Post #35 |
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Everybody who met Chris basically said he was a really nice person. "He was one of the nicest cats I've ever met" to quote Austin. I know people have egos, but Hogan has a really destructive, huge ego. And yeah. Undertaker is doing 11 years better. And he did have the whole world behind him. Watch Mania? He barely got a reaction, and he just became the third man, with the Rock and Austin, that we all wanted to see get the stunner. Edited by GrooseStrikesBack, Apr 7 2014, 07:59 PM.
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Apr 7 2014, 08:00 PM Post #36 |
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he meant hogan in his prime I think & even if not hogan is still a legend that helped start the 1st "wrestling boom" |
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Apr 7 2014, 08:13 PM Post #37 |
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Even then. Hogan cannot pass WWE's health tests, let alone compete in a 30 minute match with Undertaker, who has proven he is very capable of going the distance. Hell, I even read it would be very unlikely for Kurt Angle to get the green light by WWE health staff. |
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Apr 7 2014, 08:26 PM Post #38 |
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hogan went 20 minutes with the ultimate warrior even in 2005 his match against shawn michaels was long & he didn't look all that bad in those matches |
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| i am wolf the noob lol | Apr 7 2014, 08:52 PM Post #39 |
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Terror, you just generally don't like Hogan. You called him a f*g and you even said that you just don't like him. Hogan had great matches, but like everyone else, he gets old and just can't do what he was able to do many years ago. You might aswell mention others that are old and can't compete in long matches, like Ric Flair, etc. Hogan just had what it takes to make the fans enjoy matches. Jake Roberts wasn't a amazing wrestler either, but he made matches interesting. Same goes for many others. Kane isn't the best in the ring either, yet he has great matches (maybe not anymore). What you're saying against Hogan should mean that many other wrestler are bad aswell. |
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| * Bex | Apr 7 2014, 09:00 PM Post #40 |
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Whoever was going to break the streak was a) Going to be picked by Undertaker and Undertaker alone and b) by someone who could take the waves and waves of hatred and abuse from frustrated Undertaker fans that are annoyed or upset that his streak was ended. The WWE as a company would want the streak to continue to draw views to their wrestlemania shows as it has been the most highly anticipated match nearly every year, so it was probably Undertaker's decision entirely that the streak even ended at all. Undertaker is highly influential in the WWE and very well respected, so if he says he wants to end it, it will end on his terms. In this case it's quite obvious that Lesnar was going to be considered since it's believable that Lesnar could beat Undertaker but also because the two of them respect each other a great deal. The only other wrestler on the roster that is already ready made and of the calibre to take on Undertaker and win with any degree of it being believable is John Cena and there was no way in hell that Cena was going to end the streak. Cena is a massive babyface, Taker is a massive babyface - moreso than Cena and if Cena was the one to end the streak he'd be the one getting all the hate. Lesnar's character is built to withstand that sort of heel heat and quite frankly after watching the match, he was far more impressive than Undertaker considering Taker's rapid decrease in athleticism. Sure he pulled off some cool moves for an ageing man but there's only so far you can go before him winning matches against younger and stronger opponents than him looks too staged even for wrestling. I've also heard that Undertaker went to the hospital after the match which just proves that he must be considering retiring as it is too much of a risk to his health to keep competing at that level. At the end of the day, the Undertaker is a highly respected performer by just about everybody involved in the business and if he wanted Brock Lesnar to end the streak, that is what he would get. That's not Lesnar showing up and saying "Hey, I'm going over against Taker at Mania" or the WWE deciding the Undertaker's fate for him - because why would they? - he will have been the one behind it and his decisions should be respected. |
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Apr 7 2014, 09:27 PM Post #41 |
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I'm saying Hogan wouldn't be able to wrestle a long match nowadays, since you said he should end the streak, and 2005 was nine years ago SHC. Surely Taker would have a say, doesn't mean it wasn't a retarded decision. Like I said, leave the Streak intact. I found the match to be awful. All of last year, Taker consistently put on good matches against the Shield, and CM Punk, whereas Lesnar's recent matches have varied greatly in quality. Take Big Show for example. Anybody can swing a chair for 70 minutes and squash someone. The blame for this match being bad is on Lesnar. Taker has put on the greatest match of all time five years ago. He has put on the second greatest four years ago, and his matches since have been on a great calibre. So, Undertaker just got a lot worse in not even a year, right? Can't possibly be Lesnar, right? Undertaker was ageing against King Kong Bundy too. That match was horrible, must be the guy who consistently puts on great matches. I'm sorry, but you can't go from having a five star match with CM Punk, to having a two star match with Lesnar, and be the problem. I don't buy that. But I said I'd stop arguing this, because it's like salting my wounds. Nobody should have broken the streak at this point. Should have beaten Lesnar, and have a match with Sting next year, retiring both the Icon and the Phenom. But WWE loves doing stupid s***. |
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| + Dan | Apr 7 2014, 09:34 PM Post #42 |
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Lesnar had a "5 star" match with Punk after Undertaker had a "5 star" match with Punk. Undertaker took a bump to the head and got a concussion. He was injured. Thats why the match wasn't good. It wasn't Lesnar. Lesnar is a fantastic wrestler. This was the perfect way to end the streak. This is where Undertaker retires. He's old school. You go out on your back. That's what he did. It was brilliant. |
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Is it too late to tell you that I don't mind. Keep Calm And Chupa No Pilau        
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Apr 7 2014, 09:44 PM Post #43 |
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But the problem I have is: - The piss poor build up. - He had nothing to gain. If Undertaker landed on his head, due to a move by Brock Lesnar, Lesnar is responsible, at least partially, for his concussion. Besides, if the match was cut short due to a concussion, you can't blame Taker. You know who wrestled through head injuries? Chris Benoit. You know what he supposedly did in '07, most likely because he had the brain of an 80 year old with brain damage? Yeah. WWE wouldn't risk another case like that, especially with someone like Undertaker. But saying Undertaker is "losing it" is ludicrous. And this is coming from somebody who hated Taker when he won the Rumble. But yeah. This is officially my final post. If you with to discuss this in greater depths, feel free to PM me, whatever. Doesn't change the fact that Brock beat the streak, and that this is another "Brian Griffin" debacle. |
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| * Bex | Apr 7 2014, 09:46 PM Post #44 |
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You can if you only wrestle one match a year. I think you're forgetting just how rapidly the body can deteriorate if you don't keep up a constant exercise regime, and that only gets worse when you age because you're forced to take it easier for risk of causing an injury. You can try to live in denial that Taker is getting older but he is and that's just a fact. Lesnar was the one who put most of the effort into this match, if anybody is to blame for this not being as good as it might've been it is the Undertaker. Just because he's a legend doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes or not perform as well as you'd like to. He was slow, spent most of the match looking lethargic and tired or on the mat and Lesnar had to work around that which he did as best as he could. A man as strong as Brock Lesnar is against someone who isn't performing their best like Taker in that situation probably is trying to entertain as much as possible without severely injuring the guy, which Brock Lesnar could easily do if he wasn't mindful of what he was doing. It's true that Lesnar since his return hasn't been great, but that's because he hasn't been booked properly. If he had been booked properly he would've been destroying everybody he fought at every single PPV and gone into this match as a true unstoppable raging beast with his own TV based streak and not just one that has to rely on montages and Paul Heyman recalling how Brock Lesnar has done such and such a thing in UFC. As far as Lesnar is concerned, he did exactly as he was asked, the rest of it is on Undertaker to deliver and if he is unable to sell his signature moves or if he is rusty in the ring, that's not Lesnar's fault. Furthermore, as I said before, the WWE more than likely did not want to book the streak ending. They lose interest, they lose view, they lose money, they lose a legacy, they are likely to lose a legend of the business to retirement if that streak ends - at the risk of sounding a bit like Triple H; it's not good for business. Undertaker has the final say on what the Undertaker does, if he wants to end the streak, it is his to end and his fans should respect his decision no matter if they think it's 'retarded' or not. What his fans want for the character of Undertaker, don't exactly tally up to what Mark Calaway the man is capable of doing any more, or even wants to do any more. |
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| Pookie | Apr 8 2014, 01:03 AM Post #45 |
Pookie Powa!
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@Terror-I disagreed with your entire post.
He is 35 years old and probably in the best shape of his life. He is no where near past his prime.
What does it matter? The Rock still comes onto the show, yet it isn't a big deal. He was involved with Hollywood. I think Brock was the only person in the back who could have taken down Undertaker's streak AS of right now.
I didn't like Batista winning either, but this is about Brock Lesnar. Who on the WWE Roster has the stardom to beat Undertaker? Reigns didn't have enough of a push to do this.
Brock Lesnar is an ultimate Heel this is why it made logical sense. It took a beast to take down an immortal phenom. Cesaro will have his time, but it's not now.
Really? I was a big Kevin Nash fan back in the day, but he could barely wrestle Triple H about 2 or 3 years ago. The guy was struggling. He may have passion for wrestling, but that doesn't mean he would have been worthy of defeating Undertaker.
Undertaker was the reason for the bad match. The dude was struggling. I don't know why you don't see that.
WWE will move on as it always has. There will be new legends that will rise up. The streak is not the end of Wrestlemania.
Again, not Brock's fault.
CM Punk was not on the roster or not even in WWE right now. How could he break the streak? Those other wrestlers are popular, but it's not believable for them to defeat a legend like Undertaker.
He is even more dangerous because he proved he could destroy people in the MMA. If you look at him now, he is in the best shape of his life. There is no denying this. As for Hulk Hogan (who is my all time favorite wrestler,) he is partly the reason why wrestling is popular today. He could sell a match. I remember a couple of years back when he took on the Rock. He made everyone in that stadium rise to their feet. Hulk Hogan was also not one dimensional like Cena. He could be a heel too. Whether you hate or like Hulk Hogan, everyone knows who he is. Edited by Pookie, Apr 8 2014, 01:06 AM.
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