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Goku's gains in GT
Topic Started: Apr 5 2014, 12:36 AM (590 Views)
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I always hear people say that goku got stronger throughout GT. When did he make gains? I don't remember many zenkais if any. I don't remember him training at all either. So at which points did base goku's strength go up in GT?
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They took the "Saiyans get stronger every time they fight" thing a bit too far. It's hard to deny that he got stronger, but it's even harder to find a good explanation.

There aren't many good ways to make Goku's gains at GT seem reasonable. After the Baby arc, you can roll with the explanation that Goku's hidden ki is unlocked every time he goes SSj4 and this power is then transfered to base. This theory has problems, but it's not bad. It's a bit harder to explain his gains before the Baby arc, tough, like somehow getting a lot stronger in the gap between his fight with Luud and his visit to M2.
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I'd say he gains quite a bit from the SSJ4 transformation alone. He was still pretty strong before that, but the SSJ3 strains makes him unable to fight effectively. Beyond that he gains more and more power in a short amount of time, which is crazy. Although not stated, I think the SSJ4 transformation might have something to do with it, but then the other Z-Fighters gained a lot too.
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Apr 5 2014, 01:53 AM
I'd say he gains quite a bit from the SSJ4 transformation alone. He was still pretty strong before that, but the SSJ3 strains makes him unable to fight effectively. Beyond that he gains more and more power in a short amount of time, which is crazy. Although not stated, I think the SSJ4 transformation might have something to do with it, but then the other Z-Fighters gained a lot too.
Umh, I don't think he made any significant gains aside from him unlocking the ssj4 transformation. All the enemies he faced in SSJ4 were similar in power except Omega Shenron. It was shown that at full power SSJ4 Goku was quite capable of finishing Babei in his Ozaruu form. It was only due to his loss of Ki did he start to struggl against Bebi.

Then was his fight with with 17. The problem Goku had in this fight was that he kept allowing 17 to absorb his Ki hence 17 became much stonger, which then made it difficult for Goku to beat him, and by the time he realised that 17 was absorbing all his attacks, his Ki had taken a nose dive and he became much to weak, tipping the fight in 17's favour.

Goku was able to defeat all the shadow dragons up until Nova with low-moderate difficult. When he started fighting Nova in SSJ4, he just had edge, until Eis intervened. Despite using dirty tactics, Goku was able to destroy Eis with DF with ease. Syn then shows up to fight Goku. At is point Goku is both fatigued from his battles with the brothers and blind, giving syn a big disadvantage. As soon as everyone came and gave their Ki to Goku did it return him to SSJ4 full power. Goku at full power SSJ4 was the able to force Syn to transform. Omega was the only foe the had a incompearable power gab to SSJ4
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Apr 5 2014, 04:13 AM
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Apr 5 2014, 01:53 AM
I'd say he gains quite a bit from the SSJ4 transformation alone. He was still pretty strong before that, but the SSJ3 strains makes him unable to fight effectively. Beyond that he gains more and more power in a short amount of time, which is crazy. Although not stated, I think the SSJ4 transformation might have something to do with it, but then the other Z-Fighters gained a lot too.
Umh, I don't think he made any significant gains aside from him unlocking the ssj4 transformation. All the enemies he faced in SSJ4 were similar in power except Omega Shenron. It was shown that at full power SSJ4 Goku was quite capable of finishing Babei in his Ozaruu form. It was only due to his loss of Ki did he start to struggl against Bebi.

Then was his fight with with 17. The problem Goku had in this fight was that he kept allowing 17 to absorb his Ki hence 17 became much stonger, which then made it difficult for Goku to beat him, and by the time he realised that 17 was absorbing all his attacks, his Ki had taken a nose dive and he became much to weak, tipping the fight in 17's favour.

Goku was able to defeat all the shadow dragons up until Nova with low-moderate difficult. When he started fighting Nova in SSJ4, he just had edge, until Eis intervened. Despite using dirty tactics, Goku was able to destroy Eis with DF with ease. Syn then shows up to fight Goku. At is point Goku is both fatigued from his battles with the brothers and blind, giving syn a big disadvantage. As soon as everyone came and gave their Ki to Goku did it return him to SSJ4 full power. Goku at full power SSJ4 was the able to force Syn to transform. Omega was the only foe the had a incompearable power gab to SSJ4
Goku had no such edge over Si Xing Long. It was in fact the opposite of what you claim. Throughout the fight, Si was clearly superior to Goku, so much so that the Saiyan was forced to resort to a trick using a mirror to put Si into a fatal position. When they reset, Goku was still the one at a disadvantage because of Si's incredible advantage in the speed department.

You would also be incorrect about Super Saiyan 4 Goku being able to do anything to Yi Xing Long. When the two first fought, Yi tanked a 10x Kamehameha to the face and considered it pathetic. If you take the attack name literally, then that would likely indicate more than a ten-fold gap between the two. Disregarding that last comment, Goku's power was needed to go beyond his limits in order to force Yi into an unfavorable position.
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Apr 5 2014, 07:35 PM
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Apr 5 2014, 01:53 AM


When the two first fought, Yi tanked a 10x Kamehameha to the face and considered it pathetic. If you take the attack name literally, then that would likely indicate more than a ten-fold gap between the two. Disregarding that last comment, Goku's power was needed to go beyond his limits in order to force Yi into an unfavorable position.[/color]
But remember, when Goku fired the 10x Kamehameha blast at Syn he was already drained of nearly most of his Ki. After it had no effect on Syn did Goku realise that he was actually running low on energy, which is why most of his attacks were ineffective up until that point. If Syn was considerable stronger than Goku ssj4 full power, he would never have needed to transform. That is just my take on it.
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I have Goku's gains been extremely high throughout GT.

-BOGT:
There's not much difference between him and EOZ, I would say he will be equal to Gotenks from Buu Arc

-M2 and Baby Arc:
And here he makes he's first giant gain, at Base Form alone he is strong enough to handle a character who is Anime Kid Buu Tier, which means stronger than Buuhan at Base lol.

-Super 17 Arc and Shadow Dragon's:
Since I believe Vegeta to have kept the Baby Power Boost, that means Base Vegeta Super 17 Arc=SBV2 which makes SSJ2 Vegeta=Golden Great Ape Baby Vegeta=SSJ4 Goku Baby Arc, and SSJ Goku>SSJ2 Vegeta so you can imagine the gains.
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