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Beerus, Super Vegetto, Super Baby Vegeta 1
Topic Started: Apr 4 2014, 08:04 PM (1,602 Views)
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Toei created GT, and they also created BoG (of course Toriyama was involved too). I just thought about something. As a God, Goku was able to sense Beerus. Goku also said that Super Baby Vegeta was the strongest ki he had ever felt. So automatically we get the following:

Super Vegetto < Beerus < SBV1

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But BoG wasn't even remotely in Toei's mind at the time so it can't include him.

Beerus is stronger than SBV2 IMO.
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That doesn't make sense. What happened in the past is canon. You can't work around something that has already happened. Everyone prior to SBV1 who has been sensed is weaker than him, and this includes Beerus.
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Apr 4 2014, 08:13 PM
That doesn't make sense. What happened in the past is canon. You can't work around something that has already happened. Everyone prior to SBV1 who has been sensed is weaker than him, and this includes Beerus.
That's a good point but GT and BoG don't fit into the same timeline. SSJG isn't mentioned in the slightest and Goku should be stronger than SSJ Vegito right from the start.
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You can't side step like that. BoG is supposedly canon, making it equal to the manga. If you're going to consider Super Vegetto to be stronger than Baby Vegeta, then you must also consider another person in the canon realm as well.
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Apr 4 2014, 08:20 PM
You can't side step like that. BoG is supposedly canon, making it equal to the manga. If you're going to consider Super Vegetto to be stronger than Baby Vegeta, then you must also consider another person in the canon realm as well.
I guess SBV1 being stronger than Beerus is very plausible. I'm just saying a lot of people would disagree with you that GT would take BoG into consideration in any of the power statements.
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I actually thought the same thing, then pakl jumped all over me, saying GT released before BoG so that doesn't count.
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GT is a side story, said by AT, that continues from the anime series of DBZ. GT is just a different verse or time that didnt have the events of BoGs.
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BOG and GT were made way too far apart. There is only a certain amount of stuff you can retcon in fiction before it becomes a reboot.

The events of BOG don't happen in GT unless GT is remade now with BOGs info put in.

By the way I don't think Goku ever senses Beerus's ki.
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BOG and GT were made way too far apart. There is only a certain amount of stuff you can retcon in fiction before it becomes a reboot.

The events of BOG don't happen in GT unless GT is remade now with BOGs info put in.

By the way I don't think Goku ever senses Beerus's ki.
He did, as a SSJG, before that he could only estimate, and Goku before passing out was stunned such a guy exist (hinting some superiority over SSJ Vegito imo).

If GT did have BoGs, Baby, Super 17, and the Shadow Dragons (including Omega) would've all met their match at SSJG Goku or a raged SSJ2 Vegeta, if they hurt Bulma for the latter.
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Dialogue in the movie suggests that the power of a god isn't measured in terms of battle power anyway, and it's a completely different type of power. If that's the case, then any such "strongest ki I've felt" lines wouldn't even apply to Beerus and Whis.
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I'm gonna be frank here. Battle of Gods most likely does not take place in the universe GT takes place in. I mean there's no mention of Beerus or Whis at all....
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No Super Saiyan God when it was needed either.
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