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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 31 2014, 11:58 PM (11,989 Views) | |
| Krystal | Apr 2 2014, 09:06 PM Post #106 |
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If your son was in a coma, he was already born. Regardless of what circumstances it happened under, you probably wanted him and had him at a point you were ready. You also would want him awake because you know the kind of person they are. If your son were Hitler, as you said, you probably wouldn't want him to wake up. If the condom breaks, it is by no means unreasonable to not want the pregnancy, that's why you had the condom in the If you didn't make your partner wear a condom, it was irresponsible yes, but it is also just as childish to inflict the pain and misery on both the parents and the child to make them go through with the pregnancy just because they were irresponsible. That's awfully spiteful. It's not childish to not want a child and to choose to abort. There are a LOT of decisions that go into an abortion. For every woman that doesn't want a child, there are plenty who are. We are not in a time when we need to repopulate the earth. If you do not think you will be a good mother, don't have a child. I agree that an abortion is a sad, sad situation, but you cannot force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want. It is not a woman's job to have a child. It is a mother's job to have a child. Some women were not meant to be mothers. Unfortunately, it sometimes takes that positive pregnancy test to make them realize it. The world still goes on, plenty (maybe too many) children are born, and in the meantime, those women can continue to contribute to society in their own way. Some women love being pregnant and act as surrogates for people who cannot have children. Some women would rather die. Nobody should feel 9 months of feeling fat, dreadful, and guilty, followed by years of emotional distress, just to have a baby because other people think they should. |
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| EMIYA | Apr 2 2014, 09:12 PM Post #107 |
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Here's something else you might all find interesting. A gallup poll during 2012 involving the 12 key Swing States, voters of each gender were asked what they believed was the most important thing that needed to be worked on. At the top of the list for females at 39% (with a margin of error of about +/- 4%...do you know what they said? They said abortion was the most important thing to them. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 2 2014, 09:21 PM Post #108 |
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I know that's not always the case. I believe that rape victims and children should be allowed to abort. (As stated in my previous posts) On a side note. I feel like a lot of pro-choice women have an inferiority complex. (Not nessesarily the women in this thread, just a lot of women in general). Because it honestly seems like most of them feel inferior to men just because they don't have as much freedom as men with their bodies (they really shouldn't feel that way, but unfortunately, they do) and are just fighting to get on the same level of freedom as men. I mean, I can understand how they feel to some extent. But their bodies are radically different then men's. Therefore they should be treated differently. If men and women both reproduced, then their freedoms should be equal. however, that's not the case. I feel like most don't even care about abortion. They just want to be able to do whatever they want without men ever telling them otherwise. |
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| Krystal | Apr 2 2014, 09:46 PM Post #109 |
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Maybe some, but most women I know care about abortion because they don't want to be forced by lawmakers (mostly men) to maintain a pregnancy. Additionally, this would also be less of a problem if men were legally obligated to stay with any women he impregnates throughout the pregnancy. It's not matter of women wanting the same freedom as men, but the fact that while it takes two to get pregnant, most of the laws governing abortion and pregnancy only constrain the women. We are different sexes, but to say that a recognition of different freedoms is an "inferiority complex" sort of sounds like you're saying that men are superior and women just need to quit getting uppity about it. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 2 2014, 10:03 PM Post #110 |
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@Krystal I think that's a big part of the issue. I can't believe it didn't occur to me sooner. We need a law that forces a man to stay(or at least live) with a women that he impregnates at least until the child reaches a certain age (like 5 or so). Because kids under that age are a real pain in the neck. I think that if we had a law like that, more women would be okay with not being able to have abortions. Edit: I reavaluated what you said on page seven. I'm past the "it's human, it should live" argument now. |
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| SaiyanHajime | Apr 2 2014, 10:08 PM Post #111 |
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I've explained to you like 4 times now why the literal term "human" as a genus of animals is not what people mean when they metaphorically use the word "human". When you say someone is "human" , your'e not stating the obvious fact of their biology. You're not making sure everyone was clear that they aren't saiyan. You're making a comment about them being fallible, typically, and it's a reference to what makes humans special in our cognitive ability. Something a foetus lacks. Biologicallu human? Yes. Metaphorically human? No. A person? No. Humanised? No. Anthropomorphic? No. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 2 2014, 10:21 PM Post #112 |
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@Saiyanhajime I understood what you said the first time. There was really no need to clarify. But it really doesn't 'matter at this point cause I'm past the human thing now, thanks to Krystal. Right now I still consider fetuses human beings, but that's irrelevant. I think they deserve a chance to live simply because they're living things, who haven't done anything wrong. Edit: @Brofist somehow I missed your post (bottom of page 7) Nice job, it tore my analogy to shreds. I don't nessessarily agree with everything you said, but I do agree with some of it. |
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| Tim | Apr 3 2014, 01:35 AM Post #113 |
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Just jumping in here to say that there is very strong evidence that fetuses cannot feel pain until after they are born. There is something about the birthing process and changing to the outside environment as such which causes cognition to increase. Before that everything which the fetus goes through is mostly considered to be reflexes rather than from any cognitive choice. And before someone says it i'm not saying pain relief and such shouldn't be given. We don't know 100% and better safe than sorry. For awareness though there is a lot of evidence against it - i'm no expert on the subject and just had a short lecture series on development by such an expert, so i'm quite willing to take their educated opinion on this. |
  
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| EMIYA | Apr 3 2014, 02:02 AM Post #114 |
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@ Tim. Like I pointed out in one of my earlier posts. This developmental attributes is helpfully directed by the use of Piaget's developmental theories which indicates that until about six or so weeks after birth, most of the actions from the baby come from reflexes. As a psycho-sociologist major here and someone who has taken multiple university developmental psychology classes across the years, this is actually something I can say that I am somewhat fairly knowledgeable on. So even after birth, it's implied that baby is still going by reflexive instincts up until a select amount of time until it furthers along into the stages of development. Edited by EMIYA, Apr 3 2014, 02:05 AM.
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| Krystal | Apr 3 2014, 02:22 AM Post #115 |
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonatal_perception Most studies show that a fetus is incapable of feeling pain until it is entering the third trimester, when the vast majorities of abortions are outlawed unless the most dire of health risks to the mother or the baby will be born stillborn. |
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Apr 3 2014, 02:51 AM Post #116 |
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I've argued in several posts that there are always exceptions. If a woman is dirt poor and literally cannot support a child, she has a greater need to abort than a rape victim anyway, so why single out rape victims?
Uh, yeah... And how does that equate to "inferiority complex?" Women are inferior when it comes to this issue, and they have a right to fight against it.
Not really.
Would you say the same thing about black people since their bodies are technically different from those of "white" people? Different color of skin, facial structure, etc. "Let's treat the woman differently because she has a vagina, and vaginas are icky!" (I see what you mean, but it's still silly).
I feel like you're trying to justify the fact that men are still superior to women. And yes, of course they do! I don't want a man telling me what to do ever. Or anyone, for that matter. I can live my own damn life. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2014, 03:18 AM Post #117 |
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For starters, I gave my opinions on what a poor women should do if she's pregnant. As for rape victims, I described why they should be singled out in my previous posts, along with minors. Please re-read my earlier posts. I don't find it nessessary to repeat myself on the matter. Women are NOT inferior to men. & no your black people argument doesn't make any sense. Ethnicity has nothing to do with what I was talking about. & Vaginas definitely aren't "icky." In fact, they're the exact opposite. & I understand that women don't like being told what to do, but I still don't think that's a viable reason to be pro-choice.(not saying that's your reason) |
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Apr 3 2014, 03:25 AM Post #118 |
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Maybe you should read my older posts as well. Rape victims shouldn't be singled out. Rape is horrible, yes, but should it be one of two excuses for women to get an abortion? No.
Yeah, I think I saw that, and I'm very confused.
Vaginas are deep, dark, ugly pits of hell.
Whut. *truly baffled* Plz explain. I don't want a man telling me what to do. So what? I probably shouldn't have even bothered responding again, but I'm super tired and loopy and bored. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 3 2014, 03:33 AM Post #119 |
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@ofg Okay, I'll gladly re-read some of your earlier posts!  & I think you mean deep, dark, beautiful pits of hell  lol&the last part I edited out cause I realized it didn't prove anything Haha. |
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Apr 3 2014, 03:36 AM Post #120 |
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Well yeah, but superior sex...? There isn't such a thing! And of course. They're so deep, dark, and ugly, they're beautifuL! |
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