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Abortion Disussion and Arguments
Topic Started: Mar 31 2014, 11:58 PM (11,994 Views)
Deleted User Apr 1 2014, 04:42 AM Post #31
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 @ofg A fetus is basically the first stage of a human being. (Unless you count sperm, but that's a different debate altogether) Fetuses are developed enough to feel and experience pain. Which is why I believe that they should be treated as humans.

Those are interesting points there. However, if a women would die carrying full term she shouldn't of had intercourse in the first place. (Unless she found out while she was pregnant, then that would be a reasonable exception) If a women lives on the streets she shouldn't be having intercourse either. But if she did, she should give birth to the child and entrust it to someone financially stable. As for the diseased mother, it really depends on the disease. If it's curable, she should be forced to have it. If it's severe and uncurable, I suppose that would be a reasonable abortion.

&it'd really depend how bad the mother was. You can't just assume that the baby would turn out that way.
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Krystal Apr 1 2014, 04:55 AM Post #32
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 I'll be okay with pro-life laws once we find the technology needed to get men pregnant. XD
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Deleted User Apr 1 2014, 05:01 AM Post #33
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Apr 1 2014, 04:55 AM
I'll be okay with pro-life laws once we find the technology needed to get men pregnant. XD
That would be very disturbing. 0_o
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Doggo Champion 2k17 Apr 1 2014, 05:01 AM Post #34
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Amen, sister.

It's my opinion that men will never fully understand this subject. Just saiyan.

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also, ofg. you can't enter a discussion on a subject, and then dictate what issues the other side gets to discuss. if you don't want to discuss the religious aspects of the debate, or whether a fetus is somehow less human, then stay out of the discussion. those are integral parts of the debate, and you can't talk about the issue without discussing them.

That's what I said in my post. I won't be discussing the religious aspect. That has no bearing on what anyone else says, so how is that dictating anything?
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Krystal Apr 1 2014, 05:05 AM Post #35
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Apr 1 2014, 05:01 AM
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Apr 1 2014, 04:55 AM
I'll be okay with pro-life laws once we find the technology needed to get men pregnant. XD
That would be very disturbing. 0_o

Since a majority of policy-makers are male though, they should probably have a better idea of the damage pregnancy does to your body and mind before they condemn women to fulfill unwanted pregnancies. It would look odd though. :lol:
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GrooseStrikesBack Apr 1 2014, 05:14 AM Post #36
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Of course abortion should be legal. Even for people without reason. I'm not sure how much power men should have, but if I got a girl pregnant, wearing protection, I'd want her to get an abortion. If she didn't, I'll run the other way. :D

But yeah. If a women is sexually assaulted, underaged, a druggie, mentally unstable, whatever, she reserves the right to her own body.

Would we deny a smoker an urgent lung transplant? No. Would we deny a heavy drinker a lung transplant? Nope.

Same deal here.
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Krystal Apr 1 2014, 05:24 AM Post #37
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Apr 1 2014, 05:14 AM

Would we deny a smoker an urgent lung transplant? No. Would we deny a heavy drinker a lung transplant? Nope.
Actually that's a thing here. :(
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GrooseStrikesBack Apr 1 2014, 05:26 AM Post #38
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Where do you live? Lol.

I don't think it's like that in 'Stralya. I'll have to check.
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Krystal Apr 1 2014, 05:30 AM Post #39
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Where do you live? Lol.

I don't think it's like that in 'Stralya. I'll have to check.
'Murrica. Behavior that could ruin your new organs such as smoking or alcoholism can cause you to be denied a transplant.
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GrooseStrikesBack Apr 1 2014, 05:33 AM Post #40
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But yet they still perform Circumcision? Damn. We need a thread about that.
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Krystal Apr 1 2014, 05:44 AM Post #41
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 Actually if you look like a baby that may engage in behavior that could ruin your organ they just lop the whole thing off. ;)


Murrica.
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SaiyanHajime Apr 1 2014, 07:18 AM Post #42
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 I'm pro choice.

But I know of someone who regrets their decision, and that's worth throwing out there. It happens. It haunts people for life.

My opinion is that the issue with abortion, choice or naturally occurring (miscarriages), is the terminology we use and how society projects a future worth of that potential life.

There's no magic cut off point where a developing foetus becomes a baby. There just isn't. What defines it's status as a person is the projection of those involved. It's always human, but it's not a person until it's acknowledged as such.

I suspect it's easier said than done to have an unemotive response to abortion if you've never, and will never have to, go through it. I suspect that even those who are adamantly pro choice but inevitably end up in a predicament where they want to make that choice are in some way burdened emotionally by it. That doesn't make it wrong, but I think it's very easy to forget that being so dismissive of something like this can be as damaging as being "pro life".

Mistakes happen, but what I've never understood is how so many people who don't want kids end up pregnant or getting their partners pregnant? I've never taken a risk out of fear, but I've been with girls who don't care. People always talk about guys being reckless and stuff but, in my experience at least, it's been the opposite. Prevention is better than cure y'all.

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But yet they still perform Circumcision? Damn. We need a thread about that.

Eugh. Lets not, I can run you though how it'll go right now.

European: "It's mutilation and should be illegal without consent!"
Circumcised straight male: "Well I like my d***" *blinkers on*
European: "Yeah, because you don't know any better."
Random female: "I like the way circumcised dicks look! Uncut look nasty!"
Uncircumcised male: "Well I like big boobs maybe you should get a boob job."
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GrooseStrikesBack Apr 1 2014, 08:57 AM Post #43
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I guess. I'd lean more towards child abuse. You know, since that skin isn't meant to come off, and doing it to a baby doesn't help.
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EMIYA Apr 1 2014, 02:23 PM Post #44
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 I'd like to point out another thing. A lot of people keep bringing up things like "rape victims" or "Underage Pregnancy" as sort of that dividing line between those who should be allowed abortion and those that shouldn't. Once more people, we have to step away from our morals and look at things logically. What's the difference in the so called fetus between say a raped victim and a woman who clearly knows better, was told to use protection but didn't and just said "screw the fetus?"

Besides the personality of each person, nothing really. It shouldn't matter what the cause is, it should rely on the descision of the woman herself and whether we agree with her or not, shouldn't matter. It's the same issue I take with discrimination. There's a lot of things I myself don't like, would rather not have or be around, but I don't go around trying to forcibly stop those things because I know in the long run it doesn't matter in the end. What I think and want is a lot different than what I need more so when it involves other people an their own body.

It's her body, that fetus or whatever that's utilizing her body as it sees fit. If a woman doesn't want to have a baby then she should have all the rights to do as she pleases regardless of how she got pregnant in the first place. I don't care if she's a lovely lady, let her do what she wants with her own body. Because anti-abortion is as I said before an oppression against woman. Its an act of forcing women into a state where they have no control of something that belongs entirely to them, their body.

And considering how long its taken females to even get somewhere to equal rights (and they aren't even there yet) we don't need to go back further and oppress a group some more when they're already oppressed as it is. When that fetus can cognitively make a decision and express its own inviduality...we'll start talking.
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lunar2 Apr 1 2014, 02:47 PM Post #45
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I'd like to point out another thing. A lot of people keep bringing up things like "rape victims" or "Underage Pregnancy" as sort of that dividing line between those who should be allowed abortion and those that shouldn't. Once more people, we have to step away from our morals and look at things logically. What's the difference in the so called fetus between say a raped victim and a woman who clearly knows better, was told to use protection but didn't and just said "screw the fetus?"

Besides the personality of each person, nothing really. It shouldn't matter what the cause is, it should rely on the descision of the woman herself and whether we agree with her or not, shouldn't matter. It's the same issue I take with discrimination. There's a lot of things I myself don't like, would rather not have or be around, but I don't go around trying to forcibly stop those things because I know in the long run it doesn't matter in the end. What I think and want is a lot different than what I need more so when it involves other people an their own body.

It's her body, that fetus or whatever that's utilizing her body as it sees fit. If a woman doesn't want to have a baby then she should have all the rights to do as she pleases regardless of how she got pregnant in the first place. I don't care if she's a lovely lady, let her do what she wants with her own body. Because anti-abortion is as I said before an oppression against woman. Its an act of forcing women into a state where they have no control of something that belongs entirely to them, their body.

And considering how long its taken females to even get somewhere to equal rights (and they aren't even there yet) we don't need to go back further and oppress a group some more when they're already oppressed as it is. When that fetus can cognitively make a decision and express its own inviduality...we'll start talking.
rape victims, health concerns, and underage pregnancy are justifiable reasons to get an abortion not because anything is different about the fetus, but because of the danger to the mother.

underage girls are not fully developed, and the risk of complications due to pregnancy is much higher than normal.

rape is a very traumatic experience, and forcing the mother to keep the child would continue that trauma. it can very easily put the woman's mental health at risk.

and health concerns are pretty obvious.

and no, it should not be a woman's decision no matter what. once she gets herself pregnant, she has a responsibility to her child. that responsibility can be overridden by concerns for her own health, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. i'm sorry for all the people who don't like it, but you can't kill another human being simply because you don't want to be responsible. a human life is worth more than your petty desires.

but hey, let's just get rid of all responsibilities we don't want. i don't want to go over and help take care of my grandmother. maybe i should do like women do and take a hammer to her skull, since it's inconvenient for me to take care of her. oh, wait. if i did that, i'd be a f***ing monster.

also, ofg

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I am not a religious person, and I do not treat life as the greatest experience ever, so come at my opinion from a non-religious standpoint please.


you did try to dictate which portions of the discussion people could have with you. relevant part bolded.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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