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| Deleted User | Apr 1 2014, 01:54 AM Post #16 |
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| + Pelador | Apr 1 2014, 01:57 AM Post #17 |
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It's a debate. Of course we are going to pick apart arguments that we don't agree with. If we all agreed with each other then there would be no point to it. |
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Apr 1 2014, 02:34 AM Post #18 |
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What do you want us to say when we disagree? It's a debate thread in the deep discussion board, and I thought we were having a debate. 
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| Deleted User | Apr 1 2014, 02:56 AM Post #19 |
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I wasn't really looking for a debate. I just wanted to throw my opinion out there. But if you really wanna have a debate, I guess we could.
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Apr 1 2014, 02:59 AM Post #20 |
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Okay, go for it! Haha. That is what this section of the forum is for. |
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| Krystal | Apr 1 2014, 03:11 AM Post #21 |
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As a woman, I'd like to be thought of as more than a brood mare. On the other hand though, I understand that people want fetuses to be seen as more than a parasite. Despite that though, I'm 100% pro-choice. People are strong willed, if they want an abortion they will get one. I'd rather it be a clinical setting than a straightened coat hanger. I wish we could magically determine each situation on a case-by-case basis, but I feel that it is safer and smarter to make it a legal option than not to. Also, don't underestimate the pressure each woman would have to go through before they actually get the abortion. Even if it is legal, family, friends, and community may still have an effect on the final decision. |
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| Deleted User | Apr 1 2014, 03:23 AM Post #22 |
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Okay, quick recap: I believe that only children and rape victims should be able to abort. Here's why: If a child has a child, it could do serious damage to the child's body. The child that's having the child might even die. And the rape victim thing is self explanatory. As for the other part of our discussion: Parents that use excessive drugs shouldn 't be allowed to abort because they (unlike the rape victims) chose to have a kid. And unlike the children, they don't have a risk of damaging their bodies when giving birth. And if they suddenly decide otherwise, they shouldn't be able to take the life of the fetus that they willingly brought into this world. They should be forced to go to a rehabilitation center if they don't change their ways and give the child up for adoption or to a relative to take care of until they become more stable. And if they're poor, they should also give the child up for adoption or to a more stable relative. A life without parents, would be better than no life at all. |
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Apr 1 2014, 03:27 AM Post #23 |
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How do you know that they "chose" to have a kid? Maybe they used every precaution possible and still ended up pregnant? What then? If they don't want a kid and can't take care of it, they shouldn't bring that child into the world, especially if they have a drug addiction. You can't just drop an addiction to drugs on the spot. The kid would be permanently damaged if left in the womb of a drug addict. 
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| EMIYA | Apr 1 2014, 03:36 AM Post #24 |
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Let me ask another question, might be interesting. If I or another male decide to masturbate. Do we hold a Pro-Sperm/Anti-Sperm debate where the Anti-Sperm people say masturbating is wrong because each time you do you're killing off multiple unborn children. Because that's what sperm basically is, all that stuff swimming in our sack, that's a lot of potential children that could be born. But we don't go around protecting sperm now do we? We don't make laws or something that keeps men from masturbating because we don't want to kill off those multitude of potential sperm that could become a child. No we have other moral things that tell us its wrong. But I ask, what's the difference? That fetus a few months earlier was just that, a little sperm swimming up to an egg. If we're going to force woman to give birth, are we going to cut off men's balls and keep the sperm so we don't lose all those potential children. Because goodness knows that would be pretty terrifying for me but...gender equality. Edited by EMIYA, Apr 1 2014, 03:37 AM.
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| Deleted User | Apr 1 2014, 03:40 AM Post #25 |
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That's a very good point, but most of the time precautions work. The thing is that the two having sexual intercourse know that there's a small chance of them not working and they should be prepared just in case they don't work. In other words, if you have sex with precuations, you're aware that there's a small risk of them not working. So if the women gets pregnant, she should still be responsible for the child. & Yes, they should. Adults are supposed to be responsible with desicions. If they don't want a kid, they shouldn't have intercourse. & I know you can't drop a drug addiction on the spot. That's why I said they should go to rehab. |
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Apr 1 2014, 03:43 AM Post #26 |
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So the woman should be responsible for the child she doesn't want, but not the man? And isn't she being responsible by aborting it instead of bringing it into a world to be neglected, abused, and abandoned? Intercourse isn't all about children and shouldn't be treated as such. Yes, you should definitely take precautions if you're having heterosexual intercourse and don't want a child, but if someone slips up or the precautions fail, they should have the right to make their lives better and choose abortion if they want. Choice! They should go to rehab while pregnant?
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| Deleted User | Apr 1 2014, 03:57 AM Post #27 |
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Nope, that came out wrong lol. Both parents should be responsible. & No, i would consider that really irresponsible to bring a fetus into the world and just abandon it. If it comes into the world, it deserves a chance to live. It doesn't matter how bad the child's upbringing would be. I'm sure he/she will make friends, form bonds, and have an impact on many other lives, which would make up for it. I don't think women should be able to chose in that scenario. If they're not children or rape victims, they shouldn't be allowed to abort. They should take responsibility for their actions. & no they should go to rehab after they give birth
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Apr 1 2014, 04:16 AM Post #28 |
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Yeah, but a fetus hasn't come into the world yet, and a fetus is not the same as a human being. If they're not children or rape victims, huh? what makes those categories so special? What about women who will die if they carry a child full-term? Or women who are living on the streets? Or women with some disease that they could pass on to their children? The list goes on and on. There are always these silly little "exceptions." They should go to rehab after they've already given birth to a drugged up, possibly mentally damaged baby??
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| Krystal | Apr 1 2014, 04:25 AM Post #29 |
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....if a drug addict can't afford the baby, how will they afford rehab AND a baby? |
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| lunar2 | Apr 1 2014, 04:38 AM Post #30 |
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extremely minimal is an understatement. condoms fail less than 1% of the time. birth control pills fail less than 1% of the time. a woman only has a base 5% percent chance to get pregnant from any given session of intercourse. .01 x .01 x .05 = .000005, or a 1/200,000 chance of getting pregnant. to have a 50% chance of getting pregnant once in her life, a woman would have to have sex 10 times per day, every day, for the entire 30 or so years she was fertile. no one has sex that much, not even prostitutes and sex addicts. not to mention that the majority of times a condom or the pill fails, it's because they were used improperly, such as the guy wearing the wrong size, or a woman missing a dose. when used properly, the failure rate is insignificant. now, on to my opinion. the fetus is alive. there can be no argument about this. it fits every portion of the scientific definition of life, except the ability to reproduce. if a fetus is not alive, than neither is a prepubescent child. no one is arguing that mothers should be able to kill their ten year old kids because they are inconvenient. the fetus is human. again, there can be no logical argument here. species is determined by DNA, not by development stage. a fetus has the same DNA as it would as an adult. while the fetus is not conscious, it will be, if left alone. functionally, a fetus is no different from someone who is in a medically induced coma. we don't argue that people should be able to kill coma victims who aren't brain dead. if there is even the slightest chance of recovery, you can't pull the plug on the patient, so why should you be able to kill a fetus simply because it is not yet conscious. it doesn't matter whether or not the mother wants the child, or what the family situation will be. do we slaughter children of poor, single parents who don't want them? no. because they are living human beings who have the right to live, and make their own choices about whether their life is worth living. people who want to make the argument that their life would be bad, so you should be able to kill them. who gave you the right to decide the value of another person's life? if i decide your life isn't worth living, are you going to let me shoot you? because once you start making decisions about another person's quality of life, you are opening up the same opportunity for that decision to be made about your life. so no, i am completely against abortions in the case of disabled fetuses, unless the disability would kill them before or shortly after birth. if the disability is not life threatening, let them live, and let them make their own decisions about whether their life is worth living. i am okay with abortions in the following situations: the woman was sexually assaulted or abused, and that assault/abuse is what caused the pregnancy. the mother is a minor. the mother has a physical or mental health condition related to, or exacerbated by, pregnancy or childbirth, even if the health condition is not life threatening. the fetus has a defect that will kill it before its first birthday. i am not okay with an adult woman having consensual sex, and then trying to use abortion as a form of birth control. take some responsibility for your actions. you don't have the right to kill someone simply because they are inconvenient to you. also, if there is any chance that the fetus is developed enough to be viable, abortion should never be an option. if it is medically necessary to remove the fetus, it should be done in a way that preserves the baby's life, if possible. so no partial birth abortions, and no killing the fetus before removing it. that's disgusting, and it's murder. and yes, putting the child into the care of the state, a family member, or an adoptive family is always an option. it costs nothing, and there are no legal consequences. if you can bear the guilt of killing a child, then you can certainly handle giving it away. saying you are going to get an abortion because you couldn't handle giving birth to a child just to give it away is just selfish bulls***. also, ofg. you can't enter a discussion on a subject, and then dictate what issues the other side gets to discuss. if you don't want to discuss the religious aspects of the debate, or whether a fetus is somehow less human, then stay out of the discussion. those are integral parts of the debate, and you can't talk about the issue without discussing them. |
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