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Non contradicting filler/movies
Topic Started: Mar 30 2014, 07:39 PM (1,540 Views)
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So what's wrong with filler and movies and other non canon material that don't contradict anything? What's wrong with using it in a debate? Even toriyama acknowledges and respects good work that wasn't made by him like the bardock movie for example. He put bardock in the manga because he liked the special so much. So what do people have against using non canon material that doesn't contradict anything from the manga in debates?
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The Bardock special is pretty much canon
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Nothing wrong with it, but if it's specified that the debate puts the manga first, some people get iffy when others add filler. Even if it doesn't contradict anything in the manga.
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King Kakarot
Mar 30 2014, 07:51 PM
The Bardock special is pretty much canon
No, it's not.

When people talk about canon, that's the manga. As much as some filler and movies don't contradict the manga, they're still not the source material and can't be relied upon. The exception would be if Toriyama explicitly came up with the idea, like Yamcha being a baseball player, but even then it wouldn't be treated as fact.
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Isnt the Bardock special the only one that doesnt contradict in that case?
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What about movies like bojack unbound, filler scenes like goku using kaioken on top of ssj, goku dodging lightning bolt or arcs like garlic jr and otherworld tournament?
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Because they're still not made by Toriyama. Toei basically just makes stuff up for their fillers. The Kaioken SSj scene for example, did Toriyama tell them Kaioken can be used with Super Saiyan? If he didn't tell them that then it's just something Toei made up themselves, in which case we have no idea if Toriyama's version of Goku, the canon version, could do that.
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But there is a good chance he can do it. He was mssj at that point meaning ssj is practically his base form. Adding a kaioken to his near base form wouldn't be that much harder than doing it in his actual base form. In fact, I can see base goku using kaioken x20 more difficult than using mssj with normal kaioken

But that's not my point. What I'm trying to get at, is that things like that don't contradict anything. So why is it so bad to use it in debate if it's not hurting anything?
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The Bojack moviemight be contradicted by Goku teleporting to the living world for about 10 seconds, I dont know if he can actually do that. There were maybe some other stuff, I dont really remember that movie so well.

About the otherworld, I dont see a reason why Goku couldnt go SSJ Kaioken at that point, almost no strain on SSJ, no living body, kaioken x5 or even x10 should be doable.

Dont know exactly when Goku dodged a lightning bolt but lightning bolts arent moving at the speed of light (how do you think we take photographs of them? :P) So you can dodge them.

I never completely watched Garlic jr, i managed 3 episodes before i quit (jesus its boring), but its based on a movie that is contradicted by Gokus respons on Gohans powers (theres probably more).
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I'm not trying to argue if he can dodge something lightspeed or not. And I'm pretty sure a normal person can't dodge a lightning bolt.

Other than his instant transmission, bojack fits in the timeline fine and I don't think it contradicts anything else
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Are you guys saying that Bardock: The Father of Goku, or Episode of Bardock aren't cannon, or both?

Also, with Gine's upcoming story in Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, it could .possibly prove that some of the events in Bardock: The Father of Goku, are cannon, because Jaco the Galactic Patrolman is cannon to Dragon Ball.
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Back to topic. If a scene is non canon, but doesn't contradict anything, do you guys think it's ok to use it in debate or no?
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Personally, no. I won't accept it because it's not by Toriyama's hand.
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Assuming it doesn't contradict anything from toriyamas work, what if it's made by naho ooishi?
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Mar 31 2014, 09:46 PM
Personally, no. I won't accept it because it's not by Toriyama's hand.
If the events are mentioned in Jaco the Galactic Patrolman though, will you. That manga is made by Toriyama you know.
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