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How strong is Pan?
Topic Started: Mar 23 2014, 11:08 PM (5,508 Views)
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Mar 25 2014, 10:24 PM
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You guys on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side, you do realize that it would mean that if she was able to hit at least Super Saiyan 2 or 3, she would be one of the most powerful characters in all of fiction, besides reality warpers? I mean really, is Pan that strong? No, it's just against all logic in all of Dragon Ball
There's a theory that Pan inherited Gohan's Mystic Form and she doesn't need SSJ.

Be that as it may, she's still not that powerful in the grand scheme of things. The Ancients, Jawzahr, Galactus, Anti-Spiral, and tons of others would still put her to shame, even if she did go SSJ.

BTW, how is against DB logic? That it's an insane power boost? We've totally never seen that before <_<
1. Just a theory, it hasn't been confirmed, so it is invalid in this debate.

2. I said one of the strongest characters in all of fiction besides reality warpers, if what people on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side were right. I also said that she wouldn't get to that if you were right unless she was SSJ2 or SSJ3 at least.

3. I meant against DB logic as in a base saiyan (not including Mystic form) being stronger than any form of Super Saiyan, especially at Super Saiyan 4 of all all things. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Any of the Base Saiyans in the Cell Saga would make Namek Saga SSJ Goku look like a fool, there's your example. Base Gotenks was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, etc.
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Pan is ssj4 tier at least.
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Mar 25 2014, 10:43 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 10:24 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 02:15 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 03:38 AM
You guys on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side, you do realize that it would mean that if she was able to hit at least Super Saiyan 2 or 3, she would be one of the most powerful characters in all of fiction, besides reality warpers? I mean really, is Pan that strong? No, it's just against all logic in all of Dragon Ball
There's a theory that Pan inherited Gohan's Mystic Form and she doesn't need SSJ.

Be that as it may, she's still not that powerful in the grand scheme of things. The Ancients, Jawzahr, Galactus, Anti-Spiral, and tons of others would still put her to shame, even if she did go SSJ.

BTW, how is against DB logic? That it's an insane power boost? We've totally never seen that before <_<
1. Just a theory, it hasn't been confirmed, so it is invalid in this debate.

2. I said one of the strongest characters in all of fiction besides reality warpers, if what people on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side were right. I also said that she wouldn't get to that if you were right unless she was SSJ2 or SSJ3 at least.

3. I meant against DB logic as in a base saiyan (not including Mystic form) being stronger than any form of Super Saiyan, especially at Super Saiyan 4 of all all things. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Any of the Base Saiyans in the Cell Saga would make Namek Saga SSJ Goku look like a fool, there's your example. Base Gotenks was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, etc.
You are referring to Pan SD Saga in the tier of SD Saga Goku, am I correct? Even if i'm not, by the Cell Games Saga, people like Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, and Gohan. had been through 4-5 years of training, while all of GT takes place within 1 year. That's a lot more training time then Pan had.
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Mar 25 2014, 10:43 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 10:24 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 02:15 PM
Rogafufuken
Mar 25 2014, 03:38 AM
You guys on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side, you do realize that it would mean that if she was able to hit at least Super Saiyan 2 or 3, she would be one of the most powerful characters in all of fiction, besides reality warpers? I mean really, is Pan that strong? No, it's just against all logic in all of Dragon Ball
There's a theory that Pan inherited Gohan's Mystic Form and she doesn't need SSJ.

Be that as it may, she's still not that powerful in the grand scheme of things. The Ancients, Jawzahr, Galactus, Anti-Spiral, and tons of others would still put her to shame, even if she did go SSJ.

BTW, how is against DB logic? That it's an insane power boost? We've totally never seen that before <_<
1. Just a theory, it hasn't been confirmed, so it is invalid in this debate.

2. I said one of the strongest characters in all of fiction besides reality warpers, if what people on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side were right. I also said that she wouldn't get to that if you were right unless she was SSJ2 or SSJ3 at least.

3. I meant against DB logic as in a base saiyan (not including Mystic form) being stronger than any form of Super Saiyan, especially at Super Saiyan 4 of all all things. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Any of the Base Saiyans in the Cell Saga would make Namek Saga SSJ Goku look like a fool, there's your example. Base Gotenks was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, etc.
You are referring to Pan SD Saga in the tier of SD Saga Goku, am I correct? Even if i'm not, by the Cell Games Saga, people like Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, and Gohan. had been through 4-5 years of training, while all of GT takes place within 1 year. That's a lot more training time then Pan had.
What? No! I have Pan hitting Bebi Saga SSJ4 levels
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Mar 25 2014, 11:53 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 11:31 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 10:43 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 10:24 PM
lazerbem
Mar 25 2014, 02:15 PM
Rogafufuken
Mar 25 2014, 03:38 AM
You guys on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side, you do realize that it would mean that if she was able to hit at least Super Saiyan 2 or 3, she would be one of the most powerful characters in all of fiction, besides reality warpers? I mean really, is Pan that strong? No, it's just against all logic in all of Dragon Ball
There's a theory that Pan inherited Gohan's Mystic Form and she doesn't need SSJ.

Be that as it may, she's still not that powerful in the grand scheme of things. The Ancients, Jawzahr, Galactus, Anti-Spiral, and tons of others would still put her to shame, even if she did go SSJ.

BTW, how is against DB logic? That it's an insane power boost? We've totally never seen that before <_<
1. Just a theory, it hasn't been confirmed, so it is invalid in this debate.

2. I said one of the strongest characters in all of fiction besides reality warpers, if what people on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side were right. I also said that she wouldn't get to that if you were right unless she was SSJ2 or SSJ3 at least.

3. I meant against DB logic as in a base saiyan (not including Mystic form) being stronger than any form of Super Saiyan, especially at Super Saiyan 4 of all all things. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Any of the Base Saiyans in the Cell Saga would make Namek Saga SSJ Goku look like a fool, there's your example. Base Gotenks was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, etc.
You are referring to Pan SD Saga in the tier of SD Saga Goku, am I correct? Even if i'm not, by the Cell Games Saga, people like Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, and Gohan. had been through 4-5 years of training, while all of GT takes place within 1 year. That's a lot more training time then Pan had.
What? No! I have Pan hitting Bebi Saga SSJ4 levels
I expected that. That's what the second part of my last post was about.
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Mar 25 2014, 11:53 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 11:31 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 10:43 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 10:24 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 02:15 PM
Rogafufuken
Mar 25 2014, 03:38 AM
You guys on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side, you do realize that it would mean that if she was able to hit at least Super Saiyan 2 or 3, she would be one of the most powerful characters in all of fiction, besides reality warpers? I mean really, is Pan that strong? No, it's just against all logic in all of Dragon Ball
There's a theory that Pan inherited Gohan's Mystic Form and she doesn't need SSJ.

Be that as it may, she's still not that powerful in the grand scheme of things. The Ancients, Jawzahr, Galactus, Anti-Spiral, and tons of others would still put her to shame, even if she did go SSJ.

BTW, how is against DB logic? That it's an insane power boost? We've totally never seen that before <_<
1. Just a theory, it hasn't been confirmed, so it is invalid in this debate.

2. I said one of the strongest characters in all of fiction besides reality warpers, if what people on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side were right. I also said that she wouldn't get to that if you were right unless she was SSJ2 or SSJ3 at least.

3. I meant against DB logic as in a base saiyan (not including Mystic form) being stronger than any form of Super Saiyan, especially at Super Saiyan 4 of all all things. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Any of the Base Saiyans in the Cell Saga would make Namek Saga SSJ Goku look like a fool, there's your example. Base Gotenks was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, etc.
You are referring to Pan SD Saga in the tier of SD Saga Goku, am I correct? Even if i'm not, by the Cell Games Saga, people like Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, and Gohan. had been through 4-5 years of training, while all of GT takes place within 1 year. That's a lot more training time then Pan had.
What? No! I have Pan hitting Bebi Saga SSJ4 levels
I expected that. That's what the second part of my last post was about.
Bigger power jumps have happened in less time. Remember Goku going from 8,000 to 3,000,000 in the span of a month? That's a monstrous increase. Let's give that jump to every month and assume Pan is naturally gifted, ala Goten and Trunks. Do you see now why she's so strong?
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Mar 25 2014, 11:58 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 11:31 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 10:43 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 10:24 PM
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Mar 25 2014, 02:15 PM
Rogafufuken
Mar 25 2014, 03:38 AM
You guys on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side, you do realize that it would mean that if she was able to hit at least Super Saiyan 2 or 3, she would be one of the most powerful characters in all of fiction, besides reality warpers? I mean really, is Pan that strong? No, it's just against all logic in all of Dragon Ball
There's a theory that Pan inherited Gohan's Mystic Form and she doesn't need SSJ.

Be that as it may, she's still not that powerful in the grand scheme of things. The Ancients, Jawzahr, Galactus, Anti-Spiral, and tons of others would still put her to shame, even if she did go SSJ.

BTW, how is against DB logic? That it's an insane power boost? We've totally never seen that before <_<
1. Just a theory, it hasn't been confirmed, so it is invalid in this debate.

2. I said one of the strongest characters in all of fiction besides reality warpers, if what people on the Pan is SSJ4 tier side were right. I also said that she wouldn't get to that if you were right unless she was SSJ2 or SSJ3 at least.

3. I meant against DB logic as in a base saiyan (not including Mystic form) being stronger than any form of Super Saiyan, especially at Super Saiyan 4 of all all things. It doesn't make any sense at all.
Any of the Base Saiyans in the Cell Saga would make Namek Saga SSJ Goku look like a fool, there's your example. Base Gotenks was stronger than SSJ3 Goku, etc.
You are referring to Pan SD Saga in the tier of SD Saga Goku, am I correct? Even if i'm not, by the Cell Games Saga, people like Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks, and Gohan. had been through 4-5 years of training, while all of GT takes place within 1 year. That's a lot more training time then Pan had.
What? No! I have Pan hitting Bebi Saga SSJ4 levels
I expected that. That's what the second part of my last post was about.
Bigger power jumps have happened in less time. Remember Goku going from 8,000 to 3,000,000 in the span of a month? That's a monstrous increase. Let's give that jump to every month and assume Pan is naturally gifted, ala Goten and Trunks. Do you see now why she's so strong?
Well that's because he got a huge zenkai boost, trained in 100x gravity for several days multiple hours at a time, and then he got another huge zenkai boost, unlike Pan, who may of gotten zenkai boosts, but not twice and not a big as Goku's. Most importantly, she didn't train in 100x gravity at all.
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Well that's because he got a huge zenkai boost, trained in 100x gravity for several days multiple hours at a time, and then he got another huge zenkai boost, unlike Pan, who may of gotten zenkai boosts, but not twice and not a big as Goku's. Most importantly, she didn't train in 100x gravity at all.
Nothing is stated about Goku getting a huge zenkai boost after his fight with Vegeta. Chances are he didn't.

Whereas Pan might not have trained in 100x gravity, she probably is more gifted than Goku when it comes to gains. Remember, she is at least Goten/Trunks tier at the EoZ and she's, what, 5 years old?
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Well that's because he got a huge zenkai boost, trained in 100x gravity for several days multiple hours at a time, and then he got another huge zenkai boost, unlike Pan, who may of gotten zenkai boosts, but not twice and not a big as Goku's. Most importantly, she didn't train in 100x gravity at all.
Nothing is stated about Goku getting a huge zenkai boost after his fight with Vegeta. Chances are he didn't.

Whereas Pan might not have trained in 100x gravity, she probably is more gifted than Goku when it comes to gains. Remember, she is at least Goten/Trunks tier at the EoZ and she's, what, 5 years old?
I think theres more stuff leaning towards Goku getting a zenkai boost than there is to him not getting one.
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I think theres more stuff leaning towards Goku getting a zenkai boost than there is to him not getting one.
Like what? The next thing we heard of an increase was on Namek, and he might have gained all of that on the ship.
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I think theres more stuff leaning towards Goku getting a zenkai boost than there is to him not getting one.
Like what? The next thing we heard of an increase was on Namek, and he might have gained all of that on the ship.
The fact that Goku and Vegeta was on the level of zenkai frenzy? It was around the same saga zenkai was introduced, a lot of zenkais happened, Gokus well being was well in the boundary of a zenkai gain. Im not saying that he got a huge zenkai tho, im saying that he got a zenkai.
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Well that's because he got a huge zenkai boost, trained in 100x gravity for several days multiple hours at a time, and then he got another huge zenkai boost, unlike Pan, who may of gotten zenkai boosts, but not twice and not a big as Goku's. Most importantly, she didn't train in 100x gravity at all.
Nothing is stated about Goku getting a huge zenkai boost after his fight with Vegeta. Chances are he didn't.

Whereas Pan might not have trained in 100x gravity, she probably is more gifted than Goku when it comes to gains. Remember, she is at least Goten/Trunks tier at the EoZ and she's, what, 5 years old?
It's literally a fact that he went from 90,000 to at least 3,000,000 healing from the Ginyu fight.
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It's literally a fact that he went from 90,000 to at least 3,000,000 healing from the Ginyu fight.
Aaaand that's not what I'm disputing.
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It's literally a fact that he went from 90,000 to at least 3,000,000 healing from the Ginyu fight.
Aaaand that's not what I'm disputing.
What the hell are you even arguing, my foolish peon? Do you bite your thumb at me?!
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What is any of this even relevant to? lol
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