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| Goddess Ultimecia | Mar 24 2014, 06:44 PM Post #31 |
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How about in a tournament that has mostly Z Fighters, Pan is stated by Goku to be capable of going pretty far? Ignoring that based on what exactly? "Oh she's just a kid..." That's a lame excuse, Goten and Trunks were enough trouble at the ages of 7 and 8 to make Gohan fear they were going to surpass him after training with Goten. You are SEVERELY underpowering Pan to the point of absurdity, atleast we have proof that Pan is FAR above DB characters, meanwhile it would seem you're relying on feats from a series that is VASTLY overshadowed and have no place in EOZ and a biased view of kids in DBZ, which we've seen are comparable to Android Arc characters. The burden of proof is on you. And so far you've been handing us smelly poop |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Mar 24 2014, 07:25 PM Post #32 |
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I've made a simila tread sometime ago to this one, so IMO: EOZ- Somewhat equal to Trunks and Goten in Base BOGT- Equal to Trunks Baby Arc- Stronger than Trunks and Goten as well Super 17 Arc- Stronger than she was before Shadow Dragons Arc- Comparable to high tiers of the Baby Arc |
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| + Pyrus | Mar 24 2014, 08:11 PM Post #33 |
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Focusing on only their low points is probably the best way of determining a character's strength. Why we don't do this for everybody is a mystery to me.
SSjin 4 tier isn't the point being argued. Not to mention the android's initial power was stronger than SSjin Vegeta/Super Oob unless you think he absorbed the Final Shine, though that'd be difficult to prove.
I listed her feats already.
Vegeta was only in the major Baby fight because he was the strongest after Goku, was used in the S17 fight to stall until Goku got there, and was only a plot device against Yi Xing Long. Goku was the only one presented as a "serious SSJ4 tier fighter" on his own at any given moment.
Pan got you flustered? Goku said that about Pan when it was only him, Goten, and Mr Boo entered in the tournament.
Statements don't need feats. Feats just act to further solidify a statement.
Goten and Trunks never fought Fat Boo. ![]()
Is that desperation I read? 'Cause Oob's got nothing to do with Pan.
Neither does any of the baseless stuff you've excreted.
That's comical coming from the only guy in the thread that hasn't formed even a halfway decent argument, ain't it? Do you collect straws as a hobby? It ain't blind when there's a statement to go on. What's blind is claiming someone is weak because you simply don't believe it or want it to be true, without actually giving a legitimate reason why. Edited by Pyrus, Mar 24 2014, 09:40 PM.
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| + Pointer | Mar 24 2014, 08:16 PM Post #34 |
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the guy above was right putting her above ssj tier is ridiculous, yet still they did .Pan is stronger than she looks......sadly
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| + Yusuke | Mar 24 2014, 08:49 PM Post #35 |
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@KP - No, it would seem to me that SSJ4 tier is exactly what's being argued here. Your all tryng to insinuate that she's on par with SSJ4 Bebi Saga Goku and here I am saying otherwise. I'm pretty sure that's how this whole debate started in the first place. S17 at this point of time wasn't even close to SSJ4 tier and be knocked Pan out with a blast that wasn't even intended for her. 3 Months later and she's somehow a lot stronger than the same guy that knocked her out with ease? Clearly, something's not adding up here. - Yeah, let me reiterate that again, just what feats bring our beloved pre-adolescent heroine to the godly ranks of SSJ4 tier? "She damaged a guy that was holding his own against Base Goku" You mean the same person that was already weakened by Base Goku prior to her using the KHH on him? That sounds like to me that she's picking up the pieces where Goku did all the damage. That's like cheating of someone else's final exam, scoring perfect, and then claiming your the smartest person in your class. "Mocked a guy's speed that was capble of taking hits from SSJ4 Goku" Oh yeah, I guess we've never seen an instance in DB where a character mocks the other despite not being as powerful. So what's left? Are you going to use the Naturon argument again despite the fact that I said his absorption is multiplicative instead of additional like a zillion times? I don't think there's much going for the "Pan is SSJ4 tier". Not for something as stupid and ridiculous as this good sir (sorry to put that out so bluntly). - Does that detract from the fact that she was mysteriously absent from all the major battles that took place in each saga? I don't think so. From what I can remember, just about everyone was involved in the maor battles except Pan. It would seem odd for a "SSJ4 tier" fighter to absent and not fighting during a time like that, don't you think? This is one wild crazy train I tell ya! I've heard a lot of dumb things from the DB community and this one is right up there with the likes of Kid Buu > Buuhan and LSSJ Broly > SSJ4 Gogeta. Edited by Yusuke, Mar 24 2014, 08:52 PM.
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| + Emmeth | Mar 24 2014, 08:53 PM Post #36 |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 24 2014, 09:01 PM Post #37 |
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Can someone explain to me how she is equal to goten and trunks at EOZ? Not saying you guys are wrong. I just want to know why |
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| + Emmeth | Mar 24 2014, 09:10 PM Post #38 |
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Goku says she'll go far and has the most 'guts' in the family. She'd be fighting Z-Fighters. |
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| + Yusuke | Mar 24 2014, 09:28 PM Post #39 |
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It's multiplicative otherwise if you argued his method of absorbing was additional, you would have to argue Pan > SSJ4 Goku since her boost made him stronger than SSJ4 Goku. I'm going to facepalm like crazy if your going to tell me Pan > SSJ4 Goku. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Mar 24 2014, 09:35 PM Post #40 |
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Couldn't that just mean she has a lot of potential and that she is really confident? Or was goku referring to the tournament when he said she's going far? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Mar 24 2014, 09:35 PM.
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| + Emmeth | Mar 24 2014, 09:37 PM Post #41 |
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Naturon was already really strong. Adding Pan to that would take him close to SD SSJ4 Goku, which is already stronger than BA SSJ4 by quite a bit. I'm suggesting: SD SSJ4 Goku >~ Naturon + Pan. |
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| + Pyrus | Mar 24 2014, 09:37 PM Post #42 |
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I'm not arguing SSjin 4. Got some questions, though.
How was this person even injured, eh?
Like where?
It doesn't exactly help. If by involved you mean were there to fight and got beat quickly, then why wouldn't Pan be "involved"? Gohan and the others tried to fight and got beat sooner rather than later against S17, and merely provided distractions against Yi Xing Long. Pan wasn't allowed to fight, specifically by Satan against S17 and then by Gohan at the end. Hell, Oob wasn't in the final fight against Yi after Goku had been deemed dead, and we know he was stronger than Goten, perhaps Gohan as well. Just the fact that Pan was stronger than Goten and Trunks yet the latter two were more involved than her should tell you something, shouldn't it?
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| + Yusuke | Mar 24 2014, 09:53 PM Post #43 |
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The f*ck? Goku was already a lot stronger than his BA self at that point of time. Naturon wasn't even that strong before he absorbed her. Do you think him absorbing her would give him a boost to not only surpass SSJ4 Goku but to take on his KHH as well? Guess again buddy. And I guess the bird he tried to absorb would also give him a boost to beat SSJ4 Goku? Hilarious... @KP - Goku did all the fighting here, Pan did a KHH on her. So what? - Oh f*ck I don't know maybe the instances where Vegeta tells 18 that he's going to beat her only for him to get his a** kicked. Ring a bell? - And it wouldn't be an appropriate time to spring into action when Goku is dead and Omega is literally about to destroy the world? That seems about right for her to be useful even if it goes against Papa Gohan's orders. But then again, what the f*ck do I know right? Carry on... Edited by Yusuke, Mar 24 2014, 09:58 PM.
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| SSJ | Mar 24 2014, 10:07 PM Post #44 |
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So I was reading through this thread and then I burst out laughing when I read this. +1 mate, +1 Edit: Absolute sarcasm by the way. Edited by SSJ, Mar 24 2014, 10:12 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Mar 24 2014, 10:12 PM Post #45 |
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Whoa, buddy, I firmly believe with all of my heart that that makes her in line with Base Goku! It's simply wrong to deprive her of that privilege. I think you're exag'ing Goku's beatdown here.
Your attitude is just killing my intention to take you seriously. Other than that, bad example. Vegeta can't sense No.18's power and his statements were contradicted. Pan's wasn't?
Goten & Trunks > Oob? C'monnnnnnnnnn, man. |
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