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Prostitution
Topic Started: Mar 21 2014, 10:45 PM (3,237 Views)
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If it remains safe I have no problem with that

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you know, the netherlands apparently figured out how to make prostitution safe, sanitary, and taxable. you set up a red light district where brothels can be established, with permits. you require x paperwork to do the job. you monitor traffic and rates to get an estimate of how much business is getting done, and then you tax appropriately.
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Mar 23 2014, 07:57 PM
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Mar 23 2014, 06:44 PM
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Mar 23 2014, 06:27 PM
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Mar 23 2014, 06:15 PM
No, do you want some kid watching her mom go to "work" and thinking that's what I want to be when I grow up. You gotta draw a line somewhere because prostitution is self degrading and wrong , sex should be saved for two people that love each other and not two people that just want to have fun.
Can I ask why a child would see his Mom having sex? And in all fairness the child would be an equal amount of being impressionable if they saw Mom and Dad doing having sex.

Also, lol at that last part. Sex isn't that restrictive today, especially by the standards set by your fantasy land.
hahaha so if your mom was a prostitute you wouldn't mind? Bro go back to the jungle rain forrest with monkeys were nudity and sex in public is consider normal.
Why should I have anything against my Mom if she were a prostitute? The only moral dilemnas come from close minded fools who are too ignorant to see that Prostitution can be a safe and legitimate business. You're an a***** if you hold anything against your Mother over something as small as having sex and getting paid while doing it. It's not hard to wrap your mind around.

Very mature of you...You can go bathe in being a judgemental a*****.
Your odd most would be ashamed to know there mom or sister is a hoe obviously they would still care for them. But like what Steve said people can do what they want even though its wrong so can be legal doesn't bother me but for others it would be better to remain illegal. Since these kinda of things can affect them and a**** like you promote it. You might as well promote drugs which I can tell you probably do. imagine the sad parent who has to see there child suffer from addictive drug use because people like you promote it to be legal. Obviously there would still be drug users even though its illegal but the number would be much lower so less people has to suffer from others actions. But obviously your blind to these things and just speak from your perspective hey I can do that do in that case drug use and prostitution would be legal since i have no connection with such things unfortunately others do and have to live through it so should remain illegal.
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ythukn
Mar 23 2014, 09:39 PM
TConnor_Demonic
Mar 23 2014, 07:57 PM
ythukn
Mar 23 2014, 06:44 PM
TConnor_Demonic
Mar 23 2014, 06:27 PM
ythukn
Mar 23 2014, 06:15 PM
No, do you want some kid watching her mom go to "work" and thinking that's what I want to be when I grow up. You gotta draw a line somewhere because prostitution is self degrading and wrong , sex should be saved for two people that love each other and not two people that just want to have fun.
Can I ask why a child would see his Mom having sex? And in all fairness the child would be an equal amount of being impressionable if they saw Mom and Dad doing having sex.

Also, lol at that last part. Sex isn't that restrictive today, especially by the standards set by your fantasy land.
hahaha so if your mom was a prostitute you wouldn't mind? Bro go back to the jungle rain forrest with monkeys were nudity and sex in public is consider normal.
Why should I have anything against my Mom if she were a prostitute? The only moral dilemnas come from close minded fools who are too ignorant to see that Prostitution can be a safe and legitimate business. You're an a***** if you hold anything against your Mother over something as small as having sex and getting paid while doing it. It's not hard to wrap your mind around.

Very mature of you...You can go bathe in being a judgemental a*****.
Your odd most would be ashamed to know there mom or sister is a hoe obviously they would still care for them. But like what Steve said people can do what they want even though its wrong so can be legal doesn't bother me but for others it would be better to remain illegal. Since these kinda of things can affect them and a**** like you promote it. You might as well promote drugs which I can tell you probably do. imagine the sad parent who has to see there child suffer from addictive drug use because people like you promote it to be legal. Obviously there would still be drug users even though its illegal but the number would be much lower so less people has to suffer from others actions. But obviously your blind to these things and just speak from your perspective hey I can do that do in that case drug use and prostitution would be legal since i have no connection with such things unfortunately others do and have to live through it so should remain illegal.
Any shred of argument you had left was destroyed when you likened Prostitution to drugs.

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the legality of an action or substance should not be based on the danger to the user, or any participants, but tot he danger to bystanders.

an adult who drinks alcohol, for example, is aware of the risks going in, and competent to choose to accept those risks. the guy standing next to him, however, is the one in danger of getting punched n the jaw if the drinker is a mean drunk, and did not accept that risk. therefore, alcohol should be regulated or banned, and it is (if a bartender continues to serve you after you are visibly drunk, they can be held liable for any damage you cause).

if you were to eat some pot brownies, though, you are most likely not going to do anything reckless or violent. and since you aren't smoking it, you aren't exposing others to secondhand smoke. therefore that should be legal, since you aren't endangering anyone but yourself. especially since marijuana is one of the most benign drugs known to man. it seriously has fewer negative effects than caffeine. not saying it has no negative effects, of course, but it doesn't have many, and most of them aren't serious.

properly regulated prostitution is like marijuana. it may or may not cause some emotional issues for those involved, depending on their personalities. there is a low chance of contracting an STD (most of which can be treated or even cured these days) for the prostitute, and she may not be able to work until after she gets treatment. there is a vanishingly small chance of an unwanted pregnancy, assuming proper protection is used (and in regulated prostitution, protection would be mandatory). there isn't really any risk to those not directly involved, since sex doesn't make the typical person reckless or violent. so yeah, properly regulated prostitution is, for the most part, benign.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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ythukn
Mar 23 2014, 09:39 PM
there mom or sister is a hoe

and a**** like you promote it.

You might as well promote drugs which I can tell you probably do.
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On topic, a lot of the seediness and stigma you describe would eventually die out if it were a legal profession. Take stripping. Nowadays, pole dancing is seen as an art form with classes available to plenty of people, burlesque is something that is admired, and dancers are, while occasionally insulted, fairly respected as liberated women in the media.
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ythukn, thats enough. This is Deep Discussion, a place to debate and discuss in a mature manner. If you don't want to do that, then stop posting here.
Hate to reiterate this, but this is the last time we're gonna say it. You can be perfectly capable of having a deep discussion without taking cheap shots at people.

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Care to elaborate on why it is "not right?" What is the difference between right and wrong when it comes to two consenting adults having sex? Is it just dirty to you?


I'm not sure if I have a highly detailed answer to your queston but yeah, I do find it dirty in a lot of cases.

ythukn kinda had the right idea even though he came off as rash and rather rude in his argument. I think Steve took the words out of my mouth in his post.

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Can't say I'd respect a guy/girl who goes through like 200 people a month but there's nothing wrong with it being legal people want it and some people can't get it the normal way.


That's my thoughts on the matter more or less. If people are going to do that, I ain't gonna stop it but like what Steve said, i'm probably going to look down on such individuals who sleep with hundreds of people. Then again, this is coming from someone who thinks romance is a nuisance so take it for what it's worth.
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Should it always be anonymous I wonder?

If people had to write their details down no intelligent serial killer or anything like that would dare kill them.
Obviously there could be higher class brothels with better security that retain anonymity, for politicians and such ;)

I think it could be very positive for it to be properly legalized, it would bring a lot of money in to places as there's obviously a high demand for sex and it would help limit the spread of STD's, women who do it for drug money obviously aren't the type to care too much about the cleanliness of it but if there's no other legal means desperate people have nothing else to turn to currently, unless they can afford an escort.

The money it makes could be used for rehab too and maybe brothels could double as housing for previously homeless prostitutes who have to do it, just to survive.


As for parenting I don't think there would be too many issues there, so long as clients weren't being taken home and banged in front of the kids there shouldn't be a problem, perhaps some bullying until it became a normal profession.
Prostitutes tend to either just really like sex, really need money and/or can't do/get any other job or are forced in to it by some means, I doubt many would raise their kids to be prostitutes.
If a less than wonderful life lead them there why would they bring their kids up that same way? If they never got the chance they could send their kids to college with the money they earn.
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Possible reasons for women becoming prostitutes:

1. Working a full time job just isn't cutting it.
Many women (and men) can work full time jobs or juggle two or three different jobs and still struggle to make ends meet, especially if they are single mothers. Prostitution offers an easy way to make extra money on the side, much like stripping, waitressing, or other jobs that rely upon tips.

2. They enjoy sex.
Welcome to the 21st century, guys, where we women can finally admit that we enjoy sex, too! Yes, some women really love sex. Sex with a monogamous partner or sex with random, multiple partners depending upon the individual. Some women like straight sex, some like gay sex. Some like loving sex, others like meaningless sex. It's the same thing with ice cream. Some people like chocolate, some like vanilla, and the list goes on. Preferences are preferences, and if a woman wants to go out and have sex and get paid for it (hell yeah!), why should we say no? As long as both parties are being safe about it, it isn't hurting anyone.

3. They are forced into it.
I am not skirting around the possibility that yes, some women are forced into prostitution. This happens often in foreign countries. It's awful, and it needs to be stopped. Why? Because options 1 and 2 have to do with choice, and this does not. If the woman is not consenting, it's rape. We all know this, right?


And there you have it. I felt the need to write this since a couple of people in this thread have refused to be open-minded and put themselves in the shoes of another.
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You missed out the most common reason. They need to sustain a drug habit.


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Saying people can do what they want with their own bodies is all well and good, but I think it's rarely that simple. And I wonder, even if every prostitute was happily enjoying their job, what effects it has on those who are buying into the service and what effect that has in turn on society?

Sex is a complicated thing rife with emotions even when people claim it isn't.
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So long as both people are clean then go right ahead. I just think it's risky because you don't always know if the man is diseased or not. But that's still your choice.
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Now what ythukn said obviously was a bit crazy, but please don't lie and say you wouldn't have a problem with your mom or sister going around f***ing every lowlife that comes their way. No, I'm not buying it.

I think if its done right, it should be legal. Does that mean I want my mom/sister/future daughter doing it? f*** no, you are crazy if you answer yes.
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Now what ythukn said obviously was a bit crazy, but please don't lie and say you wouldn't have a problem with your mom or sister going around f***ing every lowlife that comes their way. No, I'm not buying it.

I think if its done right, it should be legal. Does that mean I want my mom/sister/future daughter doing it? f*** no, you are crazy if you answer yes.
I'm being perfectly honest, I don't let the common double standard against Women taint my view on things regarding sex. A man can be a w*** yet he'll be praised, a Woman on the other hand? Not so much and it's a stupid mentality, sorry no nice way to put it.
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