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| + Pyrus | Mar 18 2014, 10:35 AM Post #16 |
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You can make quite a bit of sense out of GT if you sat down, paid enough attention, and actually put some effort in instead of giving up the moment something didn't add up. The Boo arc in Z can be a hassle but we still try as we can to make it work. We had a "GT plothole" thread or whatever it was called that crapped all over most of the holes people seemingly can't stop bringing up, and a bunch of other crap that people claim is a plothole but really isn't ("how can Rilldoman be stronger than Buu like omg that;s a huge plothole dude"). The writing may have been lazy but it's not as incoherent as a lot of detractors claim. It's just the cool thing to hate, and I get that. I'm probably on a bandwagon for some anime's hate train as well. |
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| SSJ | Mar 21 2014, 05:05 AM Post #17 |
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You can't be serious... That's a pretty pathetic reason to nerf people. |
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| + Emmeth | Mar 21 2014, 07:39 AM Post #18 |
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People just brush GT off like it doesn't count. While it might not count canonically, it's a wonderful series to divulge in and discuss. I actually have more fun discussing GT than Z. And in many ways, GT is very similar to Z, the way the powerscaling goes. |
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| Hearts | Mar 21 2014, 03:10 PM Post #19 |
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The majority of the arguments are around Buu saga in DBZ.. with GT you get a whole damn series to argue about, ofcourse its more fun : P |
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Mar 21 2014, 03:33 PM Post #20 |
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Too bad I can't crack down on those type of answers. I tried and got shutdown. #Bummer. |
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| Ben | Mar 22 2014, 02:31 AM Post #21 |
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People also don't seem to get as worked up about GT, I guess because it's not canon. I am in the minority that still really like GT, though, I just feel like it could have gone from a good show to a GREAT show if it had been tweaked a bit. But personally, I've never gotten the ouright hate for it, it gave us SSJ4, a more complete ending to the series, let us see more of characters who were under used or introduced at the end of Z (Pan, Android 17, Bra, etc.) Actually my biggest gripes with GT are 1. The beginning space hopping was unnecessary, they should have kept it on Earth and brought back under used characters. 2. Too much Goku! Let Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, etc. have the spotlight. I felt like I'd had enough Goku as protagonist for one lifetime after the Cell Games, I really don't think there's anything left to be done with his character. GT could have made it about the kids seeking the Dragon Balls instead. I think a parallel of a new group setting out after them (say Pan in place of Goku, Bra in place of Bulma, Goten/Trunks in place of Yamucha, etc.) would have been better than Goku doing it all over again. But still, those are minor complaints, I love me some GT and I'll take it over the Buu saga all day. |
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| Hearts | Mar 22 2014, 03:54 AM Post #22 |
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This is only from my opinion but SSJ 4 and the ending were great, especially the ending. But the underused characters I dont agree with, not that they showed them, but that they showed them in a bad way, Pan was just frickinglishly annoying, Android 17 didnt make sense in my opinion (too many inconsistencies/plot holes/bad way of introducing him).. Bra i dont mind tho, im kinda glad they made her a normal human being. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Mar 22 2014, 03:06 PM Post #23 |
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I just more had an issue with the plot being crap. Characters that were important in the previous series became useless for no reason, in addition to there really being no new concepts in the series. Everything in the series was simply recycled ideas. |
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| Ben | Mar 22 2014, 03:14 PM Post #24 |
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See, again though, I don't want to make this about the Buu saga but I would make those same arguments in regard to it, it's all a matter of opinion. I didn't think the Shadow Dragons plot idea was crap at all, I just felt like it could have been done better. The first time I read the manga, I wanted to throw something at my monitor (yes, I read the old PN scanlations originally) when the Dragon Balls got their ridiculous power up. Seriously, if I were teaching a creative writing class, I would hold them up as the perfect example of an over used macguffin. So when GT actually implemented negative consequences for abusing them, I said "Yes! These guys get it!". Now, the space hopping aspect I didn't like, a lot of the Dragons could have been more evil/better tied to the wish that created them, but the idea itself was very good and original for me anyway. Also, in regard to Emmeth, I agree about Pan somewhat, but I liked Android 17 and his portrayal personally. The idea of him just disappearing into the woods (as opposed to robbing banks, starting a biker gang, something like that) never sat right with me. So again, I'd say sure it could have been executed better, but it was still a good idea. |
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| + Yusuke | Mar 22 2014, 03:23 PM Post #25 |
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Bebi was a pretty unique chaacter with the way he gof under the skin (literally) of all the Z-Fighters and kept on stealing their energy until he was much more stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Thd Shadow Dragons were also a pretty unique bunch. I don't think the concept of the Dragon Balls being corrupted has been done before. |
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| zionhyome | Mar 22 2014, 06:17 PM Post #26 |
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I feel like GT had some good ideas, it was just executed poorly. I'm one of the few who were okay with it up until the end of the Baby Arc. I didn't even have a problem with the Para Para Brothers. I mean, they were traveling all over the galaxy, so they werebound to run into some strange powers that didn't really make sense. Super 17 could have even been good, but it just seemed rushed. My major problem is with the Evil Dragons. They were all too gimmicky for my tastes. Not to mention the fact that they were all supposed to be pure evil, yet Nuova was somehow able to be a semi-good guy. Also, another thing that getsme ... Where is Master Roshi? They say that Pan is the only one left in the special, but unless Roshi was killed, he should still be alive as well. Unless being killed the first time took the effects of the fountain of Youth away, but then how was he able to even live to the end of the GT series if that was the case. |
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| dangerousbob | Mar 23 2014, 06:50 AM Post #27 |
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But all those gaps were justifiable, fit cleanly into the cannon and earned. It makes perfect sense. Dr Gero built the Androids (cell too) based on research of the Z fighters at their current peak. However he didnt know about SSJ and thus his first androids were too weak. Cell was basically a green Sayian. Most of Buu strength came from absorption. So when he kept absorbing stronger opponents it kept multiplying the power gap. My biggest issue with Z was the Kids. They completely destroyed the mile high club of being a ssj. But that aside, GT was full of plot holes and what not. Z had them too, but mostly in the filler only. GT major plot points, like lack of Mystic Gohan and such. GT was also weak story wise. We forget now, but Z was a very creative (and good) story. To be honest I can't even really remember GTs story all that well. Something about a cracked dragon ball or something. As the guy above me sai, "feel like GT had some good ideas, it was just executed poorly." And dont get me started on Battle of Gods. How is a SSJ2 stronger then a SSJ3?? Both of which way weaker then Mystic Gohan?? One thing I liked about Z was how well they introduced new characters. And there was always a respect for the old forms. For example, SSJ2 held out through most of the BUU saga. And SSJ1 was used through out the Cell Saga and was even perfected. In GT and the BOG its just like...well forget that old stuff, this new guy can beat you with his toe nail and SSJ4 I mean 5 or is it 6 is needed to beat him. It would be like if the new star wars was like. Yeah there is this new thing called the Derp and its way better then the Force. Matter of fact Darth Vader and Yoda were not even relevant at all. Or the Death Star or any of that. Because Derp. Things started going south towards the end of Buu Saga. I feel that is why they made the call to end it. AT knew it had pretty much reached a ceiling. Edited by dangerousbob, Mar 23 2014, 06:51 AM.
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| Kaioken123 | Mar 23 2014, 11:59 PM Post #28 |
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gt is awesome but z is better. gt had some overpowered characters super 17 and baby vegeta and last but not least, goku gt had a great story, lots of laughs, great action, but could result in other fighters to defeat the villians beside goku. vegeta should have defeated omega for goku was dead and vegeta could get a zenkai and use final flash and win. gt has more powerful people than z, for there were more training, boosts, and hard villians. |
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| FreezaTheTyrant | Mar 24 2014, 12:01 AM Post #29 |
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I will always say that Dragon Ball Z is better. GT is decent. I found GT a little confusing with the story and some of the characters. |
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| Hearts | Mar 24 2014, 01:07 AM Post #30 |
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Im kind of surprised that people think that GT is decent, first time i watched it (this was before I knew that people hated it) I hated it because of its inconsistencies, it became extremely annoying.. Did you guys learn to like GT or did you think it was decent from the start? |
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