SSJ Vegeta (Pre Majin) vs SSJ Broly (Movie 8)

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SSJ Vegeta (Pre Majin) vs SSJ Broly (Movie 8)
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Gohan Boo	Mar 17 2014, 07:29 PM Post #16
Posts: 294 Group: Member Member #10,812 Joined: January 31, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	The same thing happens to Vegeta when he gets KO'd by Cell, yet he was Second Grade there too. No, they don't.The whole gang is all backwards.Gohan is the weakest one, Goku is the strongest, followed by Vegeta and Piccolo and then Trunks. Gohan's outfit is different, so's Trunks.



~~Sus~~	Mar 17 2014, 07:41 PM Post #17
Posts: 28 Group: Suspended Member #11,014 Joined: March 13, 2014	Should I make a thread about this?



Hearts	Mar 17 2014, 07:52 PM Post #18
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Gohan Boo Mar 17 2014, 07:29 PM The same thing happens to Vegeta when he gets KO'd by Cell, yet he was Second Grade there too. No, they don't.The whole gang is all backwards.Gohan is the weakest one, Goku is the strongest, followed by Vegeta and Piccolo and then Trunks. Gohan's outfit is different, so's Trunks. ASSJ Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle CG Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 8 Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Its his CG equivalent.. ASSJ has jagged hair and a bigger body, SSJ and MSSJ has the same body as base and his hair is less jagged than ASSJ. On the other hand, i really need to get my hands on a digital copy of DBZ, tired of having to google images all the time Edited by Hearts, Mar 17 2014, 07:53 PM.



~~Sus~~	Mar 17 2014, 08:02 PM Post #19
Posts: 28 Group: Suspended Member #11,014 Joined: March 13, 2014	Hearts Mar 17 2014, 07:52 PM Gohan Boo Mar 17 2014, 07:29 PM The same thing happens to Vegeta when he gets KO'd by Cell, yet he was Second Grade there too. No, they don't.The whole gang is all backwards.Gohan is the weakest one, Goku is the strongest, followed by Vegeta and Piccolo and then Trunks. Gohan's outfit is different, so's Trunks. ASSJ Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle CG Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 8 Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Its his CG equivalent.. ASSJ has jagged hair and a bigger body, SSJ and MSSJ has the same body as base and his hair is less jagged than ASSJ. On the other hand, i really need to get my hands on a digital copy of DBZ, tired of having to google images all the time Don't speak about what you don't know The CG never even existed when movie 8 was revealed Vegeta is ASSJ. Look at his muscles His design for the movie also says it and the movie is based on that arc



Hearts	Mar 17 2014, 08:39 PM Post #20
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Sus Mar 17 2014, 08:02 PM Hearts Mar 17 2014, 07:52 PM Gohan Boo Mar 17 2014, 07:29 PM The same thing happens to Vegeta when he gets KO'd by Cell, yet he was Second Grade there too. No, they don't.The whole gang is all backwards.Gohan is the weakest one, Goku is the strongest, followed by Vegeta and Piccolo and then Trunks. Gohan's outfit is different, so's Trunks. ASSJ Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle CG Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 8 Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Its his CG equivalent.. ASSJ has jagged hair and a bigger body, SSJ and MSSJ has the same body as base and his hair is less jagged than ASSJ. On the other hand, i really need to get my hands on a digital copy of DBZ, tired of having to google images all the time Don't speak about what you don't know The CG never even existed when movie 8 was revealed Vegeta is ASSJ. Look at his muscles His design for the movie also says it and the movie is based on that arc Im sorry but what do you mean with dont speak of what i dont know.. I gave pictures of ASSJ Vegeta, Cell Games Vegeta and Movie 8 Vegeta and Movie 8/CG Vegeta looks the same... And where did you get that design, where is it from, you have no link to back it up, that might aswell come from Deviantart. Even so, that picture just proves my point, ASSJ has bigger muscles than Base, Movie8/CG Vegeta is the same size as base.



~~Sus~~	Mar 17 2014, 08:48 PM Post #21
Posts: 28 Group: Suspended Member #11,014 Joined: March 13, 2014	Hearts Mar 17 2014, 08:39 PM Sus Mar 17 2014, 08:02 PM Hearts Mar 17 2014, 07:52 PM Gohan Boo Mar 17 2014, 07:29 PM The same thing happens to Vegeta when he gets KO'd by Cell, yet he was Second Grade there too. No, they don't.The whole gang is all backwards.Gohan is the weakest one, Goku is the strongest, followed by Vegeta and Piccolo and then Trunks. Gohan's outfit is different, so's Trunks. ASSJ Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle CG Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Movie 8 Vegeta Spoiler: click to toggle Its his CG equivalent.. ASSJ has jagged hair and a bigger body, SSJ and MSSJ has the same body as base and his hair is less jagged than ASSJ. On the other hand, i really need to get my hands on a digital copy of DBZ, tired of having to google images all the time Don't speak about what you don't know The CG never even existed when movie 8 was revealed Vegeta is ASSJ. Look at his muscles His design for the movie also says it and the movie is based on that arc Im sorry but what do you mean with dont speak of what i dont know.. I gave pictures of ASSJ Vegeta, Cell Games Vegeta and Movie 8 Vegeta and Movie 8/CG Vegeta looks the same... And where did you get that design, where is it from, you have no link to back it up, that might aswell come from Deviantart. Even so, that picture just proves my point, ASSJ has bigger muscles than Base, Movie8/CG Vegeta is the same size as base. Tis is the design copied from Vegeta's fight vs Cell. He is said to be Super Vegeta. Movie 8 is Pre CG. That's the time line. CG never existed at that time so you are wrong Vegeta attacks Broli like he did vs Cel I said it because you don't know when movie 8 was revealed and what he follows. This argument is stupid. M8 ~ Perfect Cell Arc fact Check it http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22264&sid=d749162473854018e9dc7fb79098fb78 Edited by Sus, Mar 17 2014, 08:50 PM.



Hearts	Mar 17 2014, 09:08 PM Post #22
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Sus Mar 17 2014, 08:48 PM Tis is the design copied from Vegeta's fight vs Cell. He is said to be Super Vegeta. Movie 8 is Pre CG. That's the time line. CG never existed at that time so you are wrong Vegeta attacks Broli like he did vs Cel I said it because you don't know when movie 8 was revealed and what he follows. This argument is stupid. M8 ~ Perfect Cell Arc fact Check it http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22264&sid=d749162473854018e9dc7fb79098fb78 Well... Ketchup_Revenge Simple explanation would be that since they'd already appeared in the manga series, Toei already knew those forms existed. Also the production for the episodes that showed them in those forms probably too, already existed. The only reason why the f*** up happened with the "Super Saiyan" in movie 4 was because Super Saiyan hadn't officially appeared in the manga series at that time, therefore they didn't have basic design to go by. The alteration in Gohan's ages could simply be blamed on the animating team and the over-all production design, because in reality, I actually don't see much of a difference. His hair's a little shorter in movie 8 though, and also, MSSj and SSj are not actually separate forms. They are different versions of the same one. It would've been totally different if they introduced SSj2 during that movie. That picture is ASSJ Vegeta while hes fighting Cell as you said, the movie shows Vegeta having the same build as SSJ//MSSJ/base, you have not explained why Movie 8 Vegeta looks like CG Vegeta.. Could you also calm down, how do you think debates or arguments work? You dont have to get angry at a person, just calmly put up your counter-arguments and work from there.



~~Sus~~	Mar 17 2014, 09:57 PM Post #23
Posts: 28 Group: Suspended Member #11,014 Joined: March 13, 2014	Hearts Mar 17 2014, 09:08 PM Sus Mar 17 2014, 08:48 PM Tis is the design copied from Vegeta's fight vs Cell. He is said to be Super Vegeta. Movie 8 is Pre CG. That's the time line. CG never existed at that time so you are wrong Vegeta attacks Broli like he did vs Cel I said it because you don't know when movie 8 was revealed and what he follows. This argument is stupid. M8 ~ Perfect Cell Arc fact Check it http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22264&sid=d749162473854018e9dc7fb79098fb78 Well... Ketchup_Revenge Simple explanation would be that since they'd already appeared in the manga series, Toei already knew those forms existed. Also the production for the episodes that showed them in those forms probably too, already existed. The only reason why the f*** up happened with the "Super Saiyan" in movie 4 was because Super Saiyan hadn't officially appeared in the manga series at that time, therefore they didn't have basic design to go by. The alteration in Gohan's ages could simply be blamed on the animating team and the over-all production design, because in reality, I actually don't see much of a difference. His hair's a little shorter in movie 8 though, and also, MSSj and SSj are not actually separate forms. They are different versions of the same one. It would've been totally different if they introduced SSj2 during that movie. That picture is ASSJ Vegeta while hes fighting Cell as you said, the movie shows Vegeta having the same build as SSJ//MSSJ/base, you have not explained why Movie 8 Vegeta looks like CG Vegeta.. Could you also calm down, how do you think debates or arguments work? You dont have to get angry at a person, just calmly put up your counter-arguments and work from there. I am calm bro. Just really dizzy after work This post was addressed right below so no. You can't ignore my evidence Movie 8 Vegeta is ASSJ. So is Trunks which is why his jacket explodes. Vegeta is ASSJ in the CG Anime so it;s the reason However, M8 is based on the Perfect Cell Arc while CG relates to M9. Cell Games never existed in the series. You also ignore the fact M8 Vegeta is copied from his fight with Cell. He is 1st rosat. CG Vegeta was not even in the Manga like really. I can claim M4 Goku is the one who fought Freeza when its wrong



Hearts	Mar 17 2014, 11:48 PM Post #24
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Sus Mar 17 2014, 09:57 PM Hearts Mar 17 2014, 09:08 PM Sus Mar 17 2014, 08:48 PM Tis is the design copied from Vegeta's fight vs Cell. He is said to be Super Vegeta. Movie 8 is Pre CG. That's the time line. CG never existed at that time so you are wrong Vegeta attacks Broli like he did vs Cel I said it because you don't know when movie 8 was revealed and what he follows. This argument is stupid. M8 ~ Perfect Cell Arc fact Check it http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22264&sid=d749162473854018e9dc7fb79098fb78 Well... Ketchup_Revenge Simple explanation would be that since they'd already appeared in the manga series, Toei already knew those forms existed. Also the production for the episodes that showed them in those forms probably too, already existed. The only reason why the f*** up happened with the "Super Saiyan" in movie 4 was because Super Saiyan hadn't officially appeared in the manga series at that time, therefore they didn't have basic design to go by. The alteration in Gohan's ages could simply be blamed on the animating team and the over-all production design, because in reality, I actually don't see much of a difference. His hair's a little shorter in movie 8 though, and also, MSSj and SSj are not actually separate forms. They are different versions of the same one. It would've been totally different if they introduced SSj2 during that movie. That picture is ASSJ Vegeta while hes fighting Cell as you said, the movie shows Vegeta having the same build as SSJ//MSSJ/base, you have not explained why Movie 8 Vegeta looks like CG Vegeta.. Could you also calm down, how do you think debates or arguments work? You dont have to get angry at a person, just calmly put up your counter-arguments and work from there. I am calm bro. Just really dizzy after work This post was addressed right below so no. You can't ignore my evidence Movie 8 Vegeta is ASSJ. So is Trunks which is why his jacket explodes. Vegeta is ASSJ in the CG Anime so it;s the reason However, M8 is based on the Perfect Cell Arc while CG relates to M9. Cell Games never existed in the series. You also ignore the fact M8 Vegeta is copied from his fight with Cell. He is 1st rosat. CG Vegeta was not even in the Manga like really. I can claim M4 Goku is the one who fought Freeza when its wrong The anime explanation to that is not something I agree with, the manga showed their CG counterparts, Vegeta looks exactly like his CG counterpart aswell, you cant ignore the pictures i showed you, you showed me a picture of ASSJ Vegeta against Semi-Perfect Cell, not the Movie 8 one.. And you have no evidence, I have, ive showed you three seperate occasions in the anime/movie where M8 Vegeta looks exactly the same as CG Vegeta and you ignore it completely, all you basically said is "Vegeta is ASSJ, you are wrong, here is a link to someone else saying how strong LSSJ Broly is).. Im not saying that M8 Vegeta is as strong as CG Vegeta tho, powers dont match the manga or anime, they go with their own thing (usually putting Goku at the top), what im saying is that Vegeta was MSSJ (or regular SSJ, color scheme might be wrong but his hair looks yellow instead of golden) and not ASSJ in the movie. Trunks however gets bigger, i will give you that but then again, i never argued about Trunks, its Vegeta im talking about. But there is a clear difference between ASSJ and SSJ/MSSJ and if you just watch the movie then you see that hes never ASSJ



EMIYA	Mar 18 2014, 02:04 AM Post #25
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Alright, firstly to anyone...does it really matter what form Vegeta is in? Vegeta could be in his Saiyan Arc form and that wouldn't matter jack. What I want to know is, how is Goku specifically weaker than his Cell Games counterpart? Where is it stated or implied that Goku has gotten weaker in movie 8 compared to his CG counterpart? clearly Goku must've gone into the ROSAT as Gohan is an SSJ, and he only learned that in the ROSAT itself. Did Goku get bored half way through and go "Eh...4 months is plenty let's go Gohan." "But what about Cell?" "Don't back talk me son." I mean what is the evidence exactly? It doesn't matter if he's SSJ or MSSJ as there's no difference in power between the forms. He makes no increases once he's out of the ROSAT so there's no difference there.



Gohan Boo	Mar 18 2014, 04:32 AM Post #26
Posts: 294 Group: Member Member #10,812 Joined: January 31, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	That sketch is real. And it does matter, as Goku is impressed by Second Grade Vegeta getting tanked. 50% Goku left the same Vegeta in the dust. Timeline explanations don't matter.What matters is the movie's content and sketches.Unless you are willing to tell me Gohan wasn't SSJ2 in Movie 10, since you guys believe he needs to be angry to transform. P.S.Vegeta's muscles don't shrink when he reverts even when Cell pounds him out of Second Grade. Edited by Gohan Boo, Nov 15 2015, 02:15 PM.



+ Yusuke	Mar 18 2014, 05:07 AM Post #27
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I don't see anything wrong with having Vegeta and Trunks being their 1st RoSaT selves and Goku being his CG Self. The only characted that needs to be nerfed is Gohan who should be under Unweighted Piccolo due to his showing in M8. Then again, it is M8. If their's anything I learned during my time here at DBZF is that no one will agree on anything when it comes to M8 (and to some extent, M10 and M11). We always got to debate teh Burolie's power and stuff. Edited by Yusuke, Mar 18 2014, 05:08 AM.
	Ask Yusuke


Gohan Boo	Mar 18 2014, 05:09 AM Post #28
Posts: 294 Group: Member Member #10,812 Joined: January 31, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	That makes no sense though.Goku has to be significantly weaker. He was impressed by Broly tanking Vegeta's attacks, despte already being told by Kaio, that Broly might be superior to himself.



+ Yusuke	Mar 18 2014, 06:17 AM Post #29
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	That's more like Toei trying to establish Broly as "a villian who can't be stopped". You need to build up the guy somehow. Goku and Gohan left the RoSaT before Vegeta had a 2nd trip so I don't see that scenario being impossible.
	Ask Yusuke


+ Pyrus	Mar 18 2014, 07:59 AM Post #30
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Gohan had better feats than Vegeta during the fight with LSSjin Broly. Vegeta was out in basically one hit, while Gohan took a running clothesline and then some.
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