Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Rotation Advertisements



We hope you enjoy your visit to this forum.


If you are reading this then it means you are currently browsing the forum as a guest, we don’t limit any of the content posted from guests however if you join, you will have the ability to join the discussions! We are always happy to see new faces at this forum and we would like to hear your opinion, so why not register now? It doesn’t take long and you can get posting right away.


Click here to Register!

If you are having difficulties validating your account please email us at admin@dbzf.co.uk


If you're already a member please log in to your account:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Kibito Kai vs SSJ2 Gohan (Movie 10)
Topic Started: Mar 15 2014, 05:22 PM (5,095 Views)
Gohan Boo Mar 16 2014, 05:42 PM Post #16
Default Avatar


They can't sense Babidi's henchmen's ki.Goku and Vegeta judged Dabra by his movements, not by sensing him and they commented, that they can't sense Spopovich's ki.
Chapter: 441 (DBZ 247), P4.4
Context: as Videl fights Spopovitch
Goku: “Like I thought, that Spopovitch guy is weird…He seems too fine, despite the fact that he should have taken so much damage, and I can’t sense any life from him…”
Note: ‘life’, in this case is seiki, written with the kanji for ‘life’ and ‘ki’.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
EMIYA Mar 16 2014, 05:46 PM Post #17
Member Avatar
"I am the bone of my sword."
Quote:
 
Kaioshin [#BO1#KAI]
Chapter: 437 (DBZ 243), P11.2-3
Context: talking to Goku
Kaioshin: “I’ve managed to pass the preliminaries too. It’d be nice if the match-ups allow me to have a match against you. Of course, I don’t have confidence that I could win, but I want to know just how strong you are.”


Well that throws Kaioshin being anywhere near the SSJs much less SSJ2s into the trash.

The Majin boost sure didn't stop anyone from sensing Majin Vegeta.
Edited by EMIYA, Mar 16 2014, 05:47 PM.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Yusuke Mar 16 2014, 05:47 PM Post #18
Member Avatar
Gohan Boo
Mar 16 2014, 05:38 PM
He judged their power on their reputation.
If he is weaker than Base Goku, then his head would pop the instant Boo touched him.
And Kid Trunks survived an attack from Fat Buu...

Your point?
Posted Image

Ask Yusuke
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gohan Boo Mar 16 2014, 05:49 PM Post #19
Default Avatar


Confidence=/=real power.
If anything, the guy has horrible confidence, when facing the likes of Babidi.He makes a big deal out taking out Babidi, when Piccolo cuts him in half later with ridiculously easily.

Kid Trunks never got punched by Fat Boo.I assume you mean Evil Boo, in that case, it's for laughs.
Edited by Gohan Boo, Mar 16 2014, 05:50 PM.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Emmeth Mar 16 2014, 05:49 PM Post #20
Member Avatar
I ♥ Yoeri
Yusuke Urameshi
Mar 16 2014, 05:33 PM
Yeah, Kaioshin is a SSJ2 tier for sure <_<
He still could be. I don't believe it myself, but Kaioshin does fear Babidi's magic.
Posted Image
My Twitch Page
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Pyrus Mar 16 2014, 05:53 PM Post #21
Member Avatar
Gohan Boo
Mar 16 2014, 05:03 PM
''Though he looked like a dunce, Majin Buu possessed such outstanding battle power that even Kaioshin and Gohan were completely no match for him. ''
http://web.archive.org/web/20111011034439/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz02.php?m=09&id=all_battle#link
Ctr+F ''168''.
The manga does support that notion.His fight with Majin Boo, where he puts up a fight, paralyzing SSJ2 Gohan, only stating the mortals surpassed him when Goku went Super Saiyan 2, survivng fight with Pure Boo..

How does that make them comparable? It's describing what happened. :huh:

As for the rest of your post:

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8812669&t=8428747
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8610725&t=8394232
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Shinden_Reborn/single/?p=8051865&t=8184465
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8515914&t=8371634
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8493548&t=8365776
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8515920&t=8371634
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8493586&t=8365776

@"confidence =/= power"...What does it mean in this case, then? Goku wasn't an evil guy nor was he in line with Babidi, so the "Kaioshin is an unreliable poop" has no grounds when it comes to judging himself compared to others at the tournament, not that it ever did in the first place but still. Kaioshin is blatantly talking about power in that passage.
Edited by Pyrus, Mar 16 2014, 05:56 PM.
Spoiler: click to toggle
Member Online View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Yusuke Mar 16 2014, 05:58 PM Post #22
Member Avatar
Gohan Boo
Mar 16 2014, 05:49 PM
Confidence=/=real power.
If anything, the guy has horrible confidence, when facing the likes of Babidi.He makes a big deal out taking out Babidi, when Piccolo cuts him in half later with ridiculously easily.

Kid Trunks never got punched by Fat Boo.I assume you mean Evil Boo, in that case, it's for laughs.
He's referring to Babidi's henchmen. He's pretty much s***ing his pants over the sights of Pui-Pui and Yakon.

I got the two mixed up. Even so, DBZ tells us that durability and actual strength are not interchangeable. Krillin survived 2nd form Frieza. Piccolo survived Final Form Frieza. Humans survived the Cell Jr. onslaught.

Kid Trunks got a hit on Fat Buu. Does that mean Kid Trunks is in the same ballpark as Fat Buu? Probably not.
Posted Image

Ask Yusuke
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Pyrus Mar 16 2014, 05:59 PM Post #23
Member Avatar


 Yeast Kaioshin made a big deal out of taking out Babidi because Babidi's magic was highly troublesome, at least for him.

Makes you wonder, if it was trouble for Kaioshin but Piccolo handled it like a boss, what does that say?
Spoiler: click to toggle
Member Online View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gohan Boo Mar 16 2014, 06:01 PM Post #24
Default Avatar


The statement puts them in the same tier, like Cell does with Trunks and Vegeta.
Post all that stuff into one big post.Many of your links link to another post.
Even if Boo was playing around with Kaioshin, he still wouldn't be able to hit him many times without blowing up his head.

The Cell Jrs. were explictly said to be toying around.Trunks caught Fat Boo off guard.Piccolo survived Freeza's beam to his chest thanks to his Namekian regeneration.That guy even survived Cell's point-blank blast to the chest.

What that means is Kaioshin is just afraid of anything related to Babidi or Babidi himself.
Edited by Gohan Boo, Mar 16 2014, 06:04 PM.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Emmeth Mar 16 2014, 06:03 PM Post #25
Member Avatar
I ♥ Yoeri
Kamikaze Pyro
Mar 16 2014, 05:59 PM
Makes you wonder, if it was trouble for Kaioshin but Piccolo handled it like a boss, what does that say?
He wasn't afraid of facing Babidi alone, because he is a god afterall. Piccolo is somewhat the same.
Posted Image
My Twitch Page
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Pyrus Mar 16 2014, 06:13 PM Post #26
Member Avatar
Gohan Boo
Mar 16 2014, 06:01 PM
The statement puts them in the same tier, like Cell does with Trunks and Vegeta.
Post all that stuff into one big post.Many of your links link to another post.
Even if Boo was playing around with Kaioshin, he still wouldn't be able to hit him many times without blowing up his head.

That's exactly what it means if he's toying around -- he wants to prolong the fun. You can use your subjective definition if you want, but it doesn't change the fact that Kaioshin admitted inferiority to Goku at the tournament despite Goku being much stronger than he expected, wanted absolutely nothing to do with Dabura, and regarded Gohan's power as incredible. None of those instances would make one believe he and SSjin 2 Gohan are close in power.

Not to mention there's Yakon, a guy stated to be stronger than Kaioshin in D7, and whom Kaioshin wanted to team up against to beat. That doesn't exactly bode well for a Super Saiyan 2-tier opponent, unless you'd propose Yakon was that strong and thus so was Base Goku.
Quote:
 
What that means is Kaioshin is just afraid of anything related to Babidi or Babidi himself.

The thing I don't quite get is why not just ignore everything Kaioshin says in the ship instead of cherry-picking?
Emmeth
Mar 16 2014, 06:03 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Mar 16 2014, 05:59 PM
Makes you wonder, if it was trouble for Kaioshin but Piccolo handled it like a boss, what does that say?
He wasn't afraid of facing Babidi alone, because he is a god afterall. Piccolo is somewhat the same.

I didn't mean he was afraid of Babidi, just that he didn't take him lightly due to his powerful magic. Hell, he didn't say he could beat Babidi either, in explicit terms -- he said he would "pin him down."
Edited by Pyrus, Mar 16 2014, 06:14 PM.
Spoiler: click to toggle
Member Online View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Yusuke Mar 16 2014, 06:21 PM Post #27
Member Avatar
Gohan Boo
Mar 16 2014, 06:01 PM
The statement puts them in the same tier, like Cell does with Trunks and Vegeta.
Post all that stuff into one big post.Many of your links link to another post.
Even if Boo was playing around with Kaioshin, he still wouldn't be able to hit him many times without blowing up his head.

The Cell Jrs. were explictly said to be toying around.Trunks caught Fat Boo off guard.Piccolo survived Freeza's beam to his chest thanks to his Namekian regeneration.That guy even survived Cell's point-blank blast to the chest.

What that means is Kaioshin is just afraid of anything related to Babidi or Babidi himself.
- Even if the Cell Jr.s were holding back, their about a thousand times stronger than the Humans. A single punch would most likely kill them if not for plot.

- The point I was trying to make is that Piccolo was able to survive Frieza's blast despite being massively weaker than him.

- Krillin survived 2nd form Frieza while having ample time to see his attack.

Durability does not equal strength. That's where i'm getting at.
Posted Image

Ask Yusuke
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gohan Boo Mar 16 2014, 06:25 PM Post #28
Default Avatar


Even so, Kaioshin's attacks budged him.So while his endurance feats might not mean much, his offensive feats do.
What Kaioshin says to Goku at the Budokai does indeed say that, but if he already knew that he is inferior, why the big shock when Goku goes SSJ2?
He withnesses SSJ2 Gohan at the Budokai, yet is in awe at the Saiyans in the ship and even scholds Kibito for underestimating them.

So what he saw in the ship>SSJ2 Gohan?

Daizenshuu just says he is afraid of him.He says that they should gang up after Goku gets slashed, so I assume he thought Goku was losing and for safety, wanted to gang up on him.

I suppose you could just ignore all the statements in the ship.Even then, Kaioshin is still implied to be not ridiculously below SSJ2 Gohan, again with him scholding Kibito.

For plot, yes.What's preventing the plot from killing Kaioshin and then having him get revived by Bulma's wish to Dragon Balls?

I suppose you are correct about the other two.
But still, his offensive feats DO hint at him being much closer to SSJ2 Gohan than SSJ tier or even Base Saiyans.
Edited by Gohan Boo, Mar 16 2014, 06:29 PM.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
+ Yusuke Mar 16 2014, 07:07 PM Post #29
Member Avatar
Quote:
 
Even so, Kaioshin's attacks budged him.So while his endurance feats might not mean much, his offensive feats do.


And Kid Trunks's attack hurt Buu as well. So what?

Quote:
 
Daizenshuu just says he is afraid of him.He says that they should gang up after Goku gets slashed, so I assume he thought Goku was losing and for safety, wanted to gang up on him.


Here's the difference. If Kaioshin was stronger than Yakon, he wouldn't even ask Gohan/Vegeta for help.

If Kaioshin were stronger than Yakon: Screw you guys! I'm going to kill Yakon on my own since your not helping!

If he wasn't: We have to team up if were going to beat him!

Do you see?

Quote:
 
But still, his offensive feats DO hint at him being much closer to SSJ2 Gohan than SSJ tier or even Base Saiyans.


I guess Kid Trunks is an SSJ2 tier character as well eh?
Posted Image

Ask Yusuke
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gohan Boo Mar 16 2014, 07:19 PM Post #30
Default Avatar


Trunks hit him off-guard, Kaioshin didn't.

That would be true, if could he sense his ki, but he couldn't.
Member Offline View Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
ZetaBoards gives you all the tools to create a successful discussion community.
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Dragon Ball Versus · Next Topic »
Add Reply

Theme Designed by McKee91