Yusuke Urameshi

Mar 10 2014, 10:36 PM

Why do people think that if Vegeta went SSJ on Namek that he would be somehow stronger than 100% Frieza? If he did go SSJ, he would be around 100,000,000 since his Base was around 2,000,000.

Not to mention that Frieza still held his own against SSJ Goku who had a significant power lead over Frieza. Vegeta, on the other hand does not have that advantage and would therefore get crushed by 100% Frieza.

• Vegeta's base is 2 million
• SSJ Vegeta would be 50x stronger than his base self

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Please prove the following:
Vegeta's base is 2 million

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SSJ Vegeta would be 50x stronger than his base self

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Mar 10 2014, 10:47 PM

Yusuke Urameshi

Mar 10 2014, 10:36 PM

Why do people think that if Vegeta went SSJ on Namek that he would be somehow stronger than 100% Frieza? If he did go SSJ, he would be around 100,000,000 since his Base was around 2,000,000.

Not to mention that Frieza still held his own against SSJ Goku who had a significant power lead over Frieza. Vegeta, on the other hand does not have that advantage and would therefore get crushed by 100% Frieza.

Please prove the following:

• Vegeta's base is 2 million
• SSJ Vegeta would be 50x stronger than his base self

Personally, I do not believe SSJ Vegeta would be able to defeat Freeza.. but not because of the numbers you mentioned.

Yusuke Urameshi

Mar 10 2014, 11:02 PM

The only problem with that is Base Goku and Base Vegeta were pretty far apart base on their performances against Frieza. Vegeta being at 2,000,000 would be appropriate given his fight with Frieza.

SuperSaiyan2

Mar 10 2014, 10:53 PM

I have Vegetable at 2.5 million, so yeah..

It's a matter of preference, and where he falls on your list. He must be stronger than 3rd form Freeza and weaker than initial 4th form Freeza. The rest is up to you.

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 10 2014, 11:12 PM

SuperSaiyan2

Mar 10 2014, 10:53 PM

I have Vegetable at 2.5 million, so yeah..

It's a matter of preference, and where he falls on your list. He must be stronger than 3rd form Freeza and weaker than initial 4th form Freeza. The rest is up to you.

He could be above initial 4th Form Freeza and still be made a fool because of Freeza's speed.

SuperSaiyan2

Mar 10 2014, 11:15 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Mar 10 2014, 11:12 PM

SuperSaiyan2

Mar 10 2014, 10:53 PM

I have Vegetable at 2.5 million, so yeah..

It's a matter of preference, and where he falls on your list. He must be stronger than 3rd form Freeza and weaker than initial 4th form Freeza. The rest is up to you.

He could be above initial 4th Form Freeza and still be made a fool because of Freeza's speed.

Exactly, I wasn't considering this. If you check the manga, Freeza looks surprised/scared when Vegeta fired his full power blast at him. He did kick it back, but it was powerful enough to worry Freeza. I don't think Vegeta was too far away in terms of power, he just got tooled when Freeza turned on the jets.

SuperSaiyan2

Mar 10 2014, 11:36 PM

I'll give my best explanation as to why Vegeta should be a fair amount over 2 million.

Second form Freeza appears, boasting an impressive power level of 1 million. This is backed up by the Z fighters reaction to the transformation, and his speed feats. He then proceeds to power up, and it didn't appear to be a small power up by any sorts. It was enough to garner reactions from multiple people, all stating that his ki was going way up. What's more? Freeza powered up yet again. Again, the Z fighters were very fearful, and he seemed to be confident that he could beat Piccolo. Since he and Piccolo never fought while both were fully powered up, we will never know. We just know that Freeza made two significant power ups.

Now, Piccolo still seemed to be confident in winning as well, so I'd say it's safe to assume that he and Freeza were in the same range of power. Freeza then transformed (for insurance?) and gained a large amount of power yet again. Piccolo admitted that Freeza definitely was more powerful than himself, and by a good margin at that. He did think that he would be faster than Freeza though, which we saw wasn't the case. Freeza was able to overwhelm Piccolo and defeat him extremely easily. He was much, much stronger. He decided to transform yet again into his fourth form. Some of the naive fighters thought that Freeza wouldn't be as much of a challenge because of how much smaller he became. Piccolo was able to tell otherwise immediately though. He knew that this new Freeza was on a whole different level than the previous form even with his initial power.

Now comes Vegeta. He had pretty good sensing abilities by the time of the Freeza battle, and I would trust any strength reading that he could produce. After witnessing Piccolo get absolutely thrashed by third form Freeza, and sensing the all new Freeza who was on a different level entirely, Vegeta was still confident in victory. And yes, I understand that confidence is not everything, and that Vegeta has a history of being arrogant. However, he wasn't totally outclassed until Freeza raised his speed. Vegeta's blast visibly shocked Freeza, and made him use a lot of effort to redirect it. Freeza could have used more power to deflect it! we don't really know. We do know that he looked scared by it though.

Basically putting all of this into one point: With all of the power ups of Freeza, confidence from Vegeta, and Freeza's reaction to Vegeta, I think he should be well above the likes of third form Freeza.

Edit: The invisible Kaioken was exactly what it sounds like. In the manga, you cannot see the Kaioken aura when Goku was using it against Freeza. In fact, the people on Kaio's planet had no clue that he was even using it.