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Tenshinhan (battle of gods ) vs frieza 50%; Tenshinhan can use kikoho.if he beats 50% then he faces frieza 70%
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Mar 10 2014, 07:00 PM
Y'know, why can't Tien Shinhan reach even 100% Frieza? He trains all the time and it's logical for him to get big gains, especially after the Cell Games since that was seven long years. And he had Chiaozu as a training partner, which would only serve to amplify his gains.
Not sure I appreciate the sarcasm.

Humans have limits, as does Saiyans (albeit at a later time).
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Mar 10 2014, 07:03 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 07:00 PM
Y'know, why can't Tien Shinhan reach even 100% Frieza? He trains all the time and it's logical for him to get big gains, especially after the Cell Games since that was seven long years. And he had Chiaozu as a training partner, which would only serve to amplify his gains.
Not sure I appreciate the sarcasm.

Humans have limits, as does Saiyans (albeit at a later time).
Of course you'd take offense to that if you assumed I was piggy-backing off your post, but I wasn't. :p

What if there aren't limits in the series?
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Mar 10 2014, 07:00 PM
Y'know, why can't Tien Shinhan reach even 100% Frieza? He trains all the time and it's logical for him to get big gains, especially after the Cell Games since that was seven long years. And he had Chiaozu as a training partner, which would only serve to amplify his gains.
Sometimes, I find it hard to determine whether you're being sarcastic, or have simply had an epiphany.

I think this is the easiest way to explain it to someone who actually believes what you've just said:

Krillin is stated to be the strongest earthling in the manga and in an interview with the author of Dragon Ball. No matter how high you want Tien to be, [Buu Arc] Tien cannot be higher than [Android Arc] Krillin.

So if you're comfortable putting [Android Arc] Krillin beyond Feeza... and thus all the [Android Arc] Base Saiyans far beyond that... :unsure:


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Mar 10 2014, 07:03 PM
Humans have limits, as does Saiyans (albeit at a later time).
Their limits are never shown to be any different than the Saiyans, or anyone else for that matter. The effectiveness/amount of their training falls behind, sure... and they don't have transformations... but nothing about limits.


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Mar 10 2014, 07:09 PM
What if there aren't limits in the series?
I support this idea.
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Mar 10 2014, 07:09 PM
Of course you'd take offense to that if you assumed I was piggy-backing off your post, but I wasn't. :p

What if there aren't limits in the series?
Mmm, yes. You figured me out, son.

If there are no limits I don't understand why we keep discussing limits.
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Mar 10 2014, 07:00 PM
Y'know, why can't Tien Shinhan reach even 100% Frieza? He trains all the time and it's logical for him to get big gains, especially after the Cell Games since that was seven long years. And he had Chiaozu as a training partner, which would only serve to amplify his gains.
What's with your non-stop Tien hate? Okay we get it, the damn midget Krillin is stronger than him.

@OP Frieza can't sense ki so Tien could easily hit the Kihiko and Frieza is as good as dead.
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Why do you assume that Frieza would be killed with Shin Kikoho? It was never stated that this attack is able to kill people with power like Frieza. Furthermore if the attack is so strong, then why Tien did not use it against Androids in first battle? If Shin Kikoho is so strong, then Tien could literaly obliterate both 19 and 20 at the same time if we take into consideration the fact, that both of them are weaker than Frieza.
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Mar 10 2014, 09:50 PM
If Shin Kikoho is so strong, then Tien could literaly obliterate both 19 and 20 at the same time if we take into consideration the fact, that both of them are weaker than Frieza.
Far from "fact" but I do understand your point. If it was enough to stop Semi-Perfect Cell, surely it could've done something about 19 and/or 20... but why would he use it? SSJ Goku/Vegeta/Trunks and Piccolo are there... why risk killing himself to use a technique that isn't required at the time.

Also, he could've used it against 17/18 during the road scuffle... but perhaps something was stopping him... maybe all the Z-Senshi being there stopped him (as the collateral damage seems quite huge).
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Mar 10 2014, 05:39 PM
I'm going to take a Ten fanboy approach here. While Freeza would only be pushed by the attack, Ten could keep making the crater go deeper and deeper into the earth. Eventually they would reach some sort of magma beneath the surface, and Freeza would melt. Tenshinhan would melt too though, so it ends as a draw.

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SSJ Goku survived being pushed into magma, and a near death Frieza survived Namek's explosion so I don't see why being pushed into magma would kill him. The Shin Kikoho should suffice.

As for how strong humans are compared to Frieza... who knows? Pretty much every argument for either side all comes down to "Why should they?" vs "Why not?" Limits hold no meaning since Roshi training and are easily broken after every fight. Personally I waver between each side since both sides have a point but for today I'm going pro human since everyone is on the other side.

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Mar 10 2014, 07:46 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 07:00 PM
Y'know, why can't Tien Shinhan reach even 100% Frieza? He trains all the time and it's logical for him to get big gains, especially after the Cell Games since that was seven long years. And he had Chiaozu as a training partner, which would only serve to amplify his gains.
What's with your non-stop Tien hate? Okay we get it, the damn midget Krillin is stronger than him.

@OP Frieza can't sense ki so Tien could easily hit the Kihiko and Frieza is as good as dead.
What's with people not having a sense of humor? Seriously, I can't get away with one fun post without someone crying about it. <_< That's how problems start.
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Mar 10 2014, 10:30 PM
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Mar 10 2014, 05:39 PM
I'm going to take a Ten fanboy approach here. While Freeza would only be pushed by the attack, Ten could keep making the crater go deeper and deeper into the earth. Eventually they would reach some sort of magma beneath the surface, and Freeza would melt. Tenshinhan would melt too though, so it ends as a draw.

You heard it here first.
SSJ Goku survived being pushed into magma, and a near death Frieza survived Namek's explosion so I don't see why being pushed into magma would kill him. The Shin Kikoho should suffice.
Forgive me if I'm thinking of the wrong thing, but is this not water?

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Mar 10 2014, 05:39 PM
I'm going to take a Ten fanboy approach here. While Freeza would only be pushed by the attack, Ten could keep making the crater go deeper and deeper into the earth. Eventually they would reach some sort of magma beneath the surface, and Freeza would melt. Tenshinhan would melt too though, so it ends as a draw.

You heard it here first.
Frieza would have had a face full of lava on him when Namek exploded. He didn't melt.
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Oh man, I was just trying to bring some amusement to a thread and the analysts decided to show up today.

Wow.
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Mar 10 2014, 11:08 PM
Oh man, I was just trying to bring some amusement to a thread and the analysts decided to show up today.

Wow.
Since when was the DB/Z section not about being serious? :p

I think we should keep on track though, guys.
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How hot was the lava on Namek, though? Could've been 150 degrees for all we know!
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How the hell do you people see the difference between the sarcasm and the seriousness here, are you guys best friends are something? I guess 5k+ posts does that
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