Hearts

Mar 9 2014, 10:43 PM

Didnt he live happy with EIght?

Emmeth

Mar 9 2014, 10:48 PM

Hearts

Mar 9 2014, 10:43 PM

Didnt he live happy with EIght?

Did he? That would be news to me.

I think 17's cameo was him being part of a bunch of older characters, and just that. Nothing planned for the Cyborg.

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Mar 9 2014, 11:15 PM

Last I checked, the dragon balls have the 1 year rule. #16 died 7 years ago at that point. I honestly wonder why #17 didn't live with Master Roshi at Kame house. I mean, I don't think Kuririn would be all that bothered by it. I assume he visited #18 every once in a while.

Terra Crisis XII

Mar 10 2014, 03:32 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Mar 9 2014, 11:15 PM

Last I checked, the dragon balls have the 1 year rule. #16 died 7 years ago at that point. I honestly wonder why #17 didn't live with Master Roshi at Kame house. I mean, I don't think Kuririn would be all that bothered by it. I assume he visited #18 every once in a while.

Even with the one year rule #16 should have been revived when they wished back all of cells victims, seeing as how 17 was resurrected. Just another plot hole.

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8 was still living in Jingle village at the end of Dragon Ball, while 17 appears in a unknown mountain landascape, so I'm pretty sure they weren't living together.

The fact that 8 was ressurected after Boo destroyed the planet makes me wonder why 16 was nowhere to be seen. Both are one hundred percent mechanical. It's hard to believe that Toriyama forgot about a character he drew in the previous arc and remebered of one that appeared for the last time several years before that.

Ben

Mar 10 2014, 11:19 AM

Terra Crisis XII

Mar 10 2014, 03:32 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Mar 9 2014, 11:15 PM

Last I checked, the dragon balls have the 1 year rule. #16 died 7 years ago at that point. I honestly wonder why #17 didn't live with Master Roshi at Kame house. I mean, I don't think Kuririn would be all that bothered by it. I assume he visited #18 every once in a while.

Even with the one year rule #16 should have been revived when they wished back all of cells victims, seeing as how 17 was resurrected. Just another plot hole.

I was under the impression that the wish was to bring back everyone who died; 16 was a pure machine and didn't die but stopped working, so he wasn't actually a person.

EDIT: Also, in response to TheDoc:

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8 was still living in Jingle village at the end of Dragon Ball, while 17 appears in a unknown mountain landascape, so I'm pretty sure they weren't living together.

The fact that 8 was ressurected after Boo destroyed the planet makes me wonder why 16 was nowhere to be seen. Both are one hundred percent mechanical. It's hard to believe that Toriyama forgot about a character he drew in the previous arc and remebered of one that appeared for the last time several years before that.

8, or Ha-chan, was a Frankenstein creature, he was a dead human brought back to life and no more mechanical than 17 or 18. I think you're mixing him up with the pure machine (terminator like) Android in Muscle Tower, maybe? EDIT: Also, are you assuming he's mechanical based on Path to Power? I can see where you got the idea based on this scene:

Keep in mind that's not canon, and we never saw 17 or 18 die in that way (just get absorbed), so who knows what their insides looked like or if they would generate electricity when they died.

* Also, I just thought of something. Could someone who has the Viz manga handy look up how they translated Ninja Murasaki's line when he threatens to blow up Ha-chan? In the Japanese, it should be "It was us who gave you life", or something like that. Silver also refers to himself as Ha-chan's father, but doesn't for the mechanical Android. I wonder if they translated that part it in a way that is making people think he was never a human to begin with...? Also, keep in mind that the scenes with that other Dr. (not Gero) were all anime filler; in the manga, we just see Goku go to bed and leave the next morning. The anime actually creates a contradiction here, since we find out later that Dr. Gero created the Androids, not the filler one from the anime.

Terra Crisis XII

Mar 10 2014, 06:33 PM

Ben

Mar 10 2014, 11:19 AM

Terra Crisis XII

Mar 10 2014, 03:32 AM

ThePrinceOfSaiyajins

Mar 9 2014, 11:15 PM

Last I checked, the dragon balls have the 1 year rule. #16 died 7 years ago at that point. I honestly wonder why #17 didn't live with Master Roshi at Kame house. I mean, I don't think Kuririn would be all that bothered by it. I assume he visited #18 every once in a while.

Even with the one year rule #16 should have been revived when they wished back all of cells victims, seeing as how 17 was resurrected. Just another plot hole.

I was under the impression that the wish was to bring back everyone who died; 16 was a pure machine and didn't die but stopped working, so he wasn't actually a person.

EDIT: Also, in response to TheDoc:

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8 was still living in Jingle village at the end of Dragon Ball, while 17 appears in a unknown mountain landascape, so I'm pretty sure they weren't living together.

The fact that 8 was ressurected after Boo destroyed the planet makes me wonder why 16 was nowhere to be seen. Both are one hundred percent mechanical. It's hard to believe that Toriyama forgot about a character he drew in the previous arc and remebered of one that appeared for the last time several years before that.

8, or Ha-chan, was a Frankenstein creature, he was a dead human brought back to life and no more mechanical than 17 or 18. I think you're mixing him up with the pure machine (terminator like) Android in Muscle Tower, maybe? EDIT: Also, are you assuming he's mechanical based on Path to Power? I can see where you got the idea based on this scene:

Keep in mind that's not canon, and we never saw 17 or 18 die in that way (just get absorbed), so who knows what their insides looked like or if they would generate electricity when they died.

* Also, I just thought of something. Could someone who has the Viz manga handy look up how they translated Ninja Murasaki's line when he threatens to blow up Ha-chan? In the Japanese, it should be "It was us who gave you life", or something like that. Silver also refers to himself as Ha-chan's father, but doesn't for the mechanical Android. I wonder if they translated that part it in a way that is making people think he was never a human to begin with...? Also, keep in mind that the scenes with that other Dr. (not Gero) were all anime filler; in the manga, we just see Goku go to bed and leave the next morning. The anime actually creates a contradiction here, since we find out later that Dr. Gero created the Androids, not the filler one from the anime.

What the hell? no where in the manga does it state that Android 8 is "creature" or is "Frankenstein", sure he's based on Frankenstein, But Android 8 himself says he's an artificial human (fake human) "not an actual person", So according to your theory, 8 should not have come back to life either, after Buu destroyed the earth. Now for Doc and myself, the wish was for everyone killed by cell, whether #16 was killed or stopped working the point is Cell was the direct cause of #16's death or for #16 to stop working. As proven in the frieza saga, it counts if someone died as a resulted action of the killer, the victim will be brought back to life, like how Guru died because of the heartbreak of his namekian children at the hands of Frieza and his henchman, Frieza himself did not kill Guru yet Guru was resurrected so if we use the rules of the dragon, I don't see why the same thing can't apply to #16, he died or stopped working as a result of Cell's actions.

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First staged in 1921, many people interpreted RUR as an attack on technology but Capek aimed only to question the idea of humans becoming slaves of machines. The play, however, created a vastly different impression after it opened in Tokyo in 1924. The Japanese found the idea of artificially created humans to be more intriguing than threatening. But RUR lost its intended meaning in Japan because both the title of the play and the word “robot” were translated as “jinzo ningen,” meaning artificial human, which gave the Japanese a warm feeling. Afterwards, Japanese writers and scientists were inspired to explore the possibility of creating artificial humans, and eventually the word “jinzo ningen” was replaced by the catchier katakana word “robotto.”