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| A new gap? (For people who believe in gaps) | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 5 2014, 09:15 PM (885 Views) | |
| SSJ | Mar 5 2014, 09:15 PM Post #1 |
 
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I'm reading the manga right now, and I'm at the part where Goku is forced to use Kaioken x3 against Vegeta. Kaio has this to say about Goku though. So Kaioken x2 Goku (16,000) was hopeless against full power Vegeta (18,000). So is this saying that a 1.125x gap is essentially an automatic victory for the opponent? It may not be a one shot like Vegeta was able to do to Dodoria, but it seems to be a gap that cannot win no matter what. Thoughts? Edited by SSJ, Mar 5 2014, 09:18 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Mar 6 2014, 12:02 AM Post #2 |
 
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Power isn't the only factor, but I wouldn't expect someone as BP-focused as you to really comprehend that just yet. |
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| SSJ | Mar 6 2014, 12:10 AM Post #3 |
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I'm well aware of that, and I'm also well aware that you have used gaps in the past. I use gaps as guidelines, not laws. |
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| SSJSC | Mar 6 2014, 12:19 AM Post #4 |
 
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KP, if you're just joking around with stereotypical statements sometimes, just make sure you don't keep doing that cause this is the internet and no one can tell whether you're joking around or not, so becareful. 
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Mar 6 2014, 12:21 AM Post #5 |
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Gaps are inconsistent and dumb. As long as someone is stronger, a stomp can be justified regardless of the gap. |
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| SSJ | Mar 6 2014, 12:22 AM Post #6 |
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That's a really unexpected reply ^. Didn't see that coming at all. Edited the topic title so this doesn't turn into "gaps are stupid". |
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| DSTREET45 | Mar 6 2014, 02:35 AM Post #7 |
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Yeah I say it's about accurate. Before you "gaps are stupid" fans call for me to be hanged for saying that consider this. Vegeta doesn't only have the power advantage but the speed and reaction advantage probably 3 of the 5 most important things in battles. And all of this stems from a power level of 18,000 meaning that Vegeta has the power of a guy with a pl of 18,000, speed of a guy with a pl of 18,000 and so on. These are major advantages that Goku can't overcome since he's slower, less powerful, etc. So Goku's only chance to win is in skills which Vegeta matches him in. So it's absolutely impossible for Goku to win since Vegeta is stronger than him at everything. A man who runs a 100m in 11 seconds won't beat a prime Usain Bolt in a foot race. It's a fact. In this case numbers do tell the tale. As for the topic yes it's impossible for Goku to win with KKx2 only. IIRC Piccolo tells Goten and Trunks, or maybe Gotenks that the smallest amount of strength makes a big difference in a fight. Though it might of been in the dub only. Goku would get his hits in like he did but Vegeta is faster, stronger and more durable and his skill/technique rival. So I don't see any reason to change the gap. |
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| Vertical | Mar 6 2014, 02:35 AM Post #8 |
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I believe the fact that Goku cannot maintain that gap for very long is also a huge factor.I heavily disagree with this. |
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| bloodstained euphy | Mar 6 2014, 03:10 AM Post #9 |
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Kaioken puts strain on the body. Vegeta was fighting in his natural state. As KP said earlier, power isn't the only factor. |
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| SSJSC | Mar 6 2014, 04:13 AM Post #10 |
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http://www.blastingart.com/media/images/sharingImages/4200.png How powerful do you guys think the fusion to the left of this image is? It looks like the potara fusion of Tien and Kibitoshin if I'm not wrong. Edited by SSJSC, Mar 6 2014, 04:15 AM.
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Mar 6 2014, 04:21 AM Post #11 |
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SSJSC, please stay on topic in these threads. That post has nothing to do with the subject. |
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| Vertical | Mar 6 2014, 04:24 AM Post #12 |
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That would be "Mystic Tien" and he's as powerful as words will allow him to be. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Mar 6 2014, 05:06 AM Post #13 |
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The issue with the Kaioken is that it only increases his ki for a "heartbeat". It can't be sustained for long periods of time. Even if he increased his ki 3x, there's no guarantee that he could sustain the Kaioken long enough to inflict damage on Vegeta. |
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| + Kaboom | Mar 6 2014, 06:38 PM Post #14 |
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If one needs an explanation for this subject, these answers are similar to the one I would give. The Kaio-Ken increases Goku's power in short bursts, and making Goku ALMOST as strong as Vegeta for a few seconds isn't going to do him any good in the long run. If 16,000 were Goku's standard level without any power-ups, things would be different. Edited by Kaboom, Mar 6 2014, 06:39 PM.
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