Where do you place [Cell Games] Piccolo?

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Where do you place [Cell Games] Piccolo?
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Vertical	Mar 5 2014, 09:08 AM Post #1
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	As per the title, where do you place [Cell Games] Piccolo in relation to other characters? And why is that? Edited by Vertical, Mar 5 2014, 09:08 AM.
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+ Pyrus	Mar 5 2014, 10:03 AM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I place him in between Android No.16 and 2nd Stage Cell mainly because I don't see a reason to have him any higher than that. The two main reasons I see people place him drastically higher than that are - 1) he asked Goku how he compared to Cell, and 2) he wasn't beaten down by the Cell Jrs. like the humans and a tired MSSjin Goku were. My rebuttals for those are as follows: 1) He did not ask Goku anything. The conversation began when Goku complimented Piccolo on his power and Piccolo, being the intelligent man he was, noticed what was up immediately and told Goku to stop patronizing him and admit he was no match for Cell, which Goku then conceded on. There was never any yearning for knowledge on Piccolo's end - he flatout knew where he stood and wasn't going to tolerate any sugarcoating. It could also be noted that this is one of the only times I can recall where Goku wasn't very frank in his power assessments, as in the same vicinity he blatantly admitted he was a whole lot stronger than Vegeta despite knowing of the guy's pride and general attitude, so maybe him making an exception for Piccolo could mean something...or maybe it means nothing. 2) I don't take that as evidence for his standing, no pun intended. I'm aware that the Japanese text from Cell allows Piccolo to possibly be included when it's mentioned that Vegeta and Trunks are the only ones able to fight back against the Cell Jrs., but he simply wasn't mentioned, and the objective of the junior ball smashers was to toy with the Z-Fighters, if only for the majority of the event. Even after the order was given for them to kill, the meek humans were still alive, which essentially invalidates any claim that because Piccolo was standing, he was close to Vegeta and Trunks in power, in my opinion. There's also the opinion that because he was able to keep up with the Super Saiyans beforehand he should be able to do it now, but the Saiyans went into the RoSaT twice, not once like he did, and both times they made fairly impressive gains, so even if Piccolo made a big jump the Saiyans made two. Now, those reasons aside, some people just make him relatively strong because "well, why not." I don't take that route with anybody and haven't for a fortnight now; I don't make people strong simply on a whim, but that's me. I gave Piccolo credit for jumping to "an entirely different level," as Goku put it, which I believe eclipsing No.16 qualifies as, and that's that. Edited by Pyrus, Mar 5 2014, 10:04 AM.
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Hearts	Mar 5 2014, 10:16 AM Post #3
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	All of that doesnt work with "between 16 and semi-perfect", If he was between these, weaker than semi-perfect then he shouldnt have had a chance against Cell jr, if he held his own for a while against them then Vegeta and Trunks should be able to one shot them, they were however not able to. I put Piccolo at 50% of Vegetas power, around 10% of Cells full power or at initial Cells powers. Edited by Hearts, Mar 5 2014, 10:16 AM.



Vertical	Mar 5 2014, 10:19 AM Post #4
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	I really do enjoy when you put some effort into a post, KP. I recently found myself with a similar stance on his placement... but as I have justified him placing higher in the past... and probably still could... it's nice to see others reach a similar conclusion. The only thing that really throws me into questioning my stance is Cell's statement regarding who can fight back... but I suppose that one Cell Jr was just better at "toying" with opponents than the others. Kamikaze Pyro Mar 5 2014, 10:03 AM Now, those reasons aside, some people just make him relatively strong because "well, why not." I don't take that route with anybody and haven't for a fortnight now; I don't make people strong simply on a whim, but that's me.
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+ Pyrus	Mar 5 2014, 10:49 AM Post #5
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Hearts Mar 5 2014, 10:16 AM All of that doesnt work with "between 16 and semi-perfect", If he was between these, weaker than semi-perfect then he shouldnt have had a chance against Cell jr, if he held his own for a while against them then Vegeta and Trunks should be able to one shot them, they were however not able to. I put Piccolo at 50% of Vegetas power, around 10% of Cells full power or at initial Cells powers. I believe I addressed this in my post. What's going on if they're all toying around? Why didn't the humans die? Why was Goku performing just as poorly as them!? Vertical Mar 5 2014, 10:19 AM I really do enjoy when you put some effort into a post, KP. Quote: I recently found myself with a similar stance on his placement... but as I have justified him placing higher in the past... and probably still could... it's nice to see others reach a similar conclusion. The only thing that really throws me into questioning my stance is Cell's statement regarding who can fight back... but I suppose that one Cell Jr was just better at "toying" with opponents than the others. I just like to think of it as Piccolo had begun his descent into irrelevancy, so he had no reason to be mentioned. Edited by Pyrus, Mar 5 2014, 10:49 AM.
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Vertical	Mar 5 2014, 10:59 AM Post #6
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 5 2014, 10:49 AM Quote: I recently found myself with a similar stance on his placement... but as I have justified him placing higher in the past... and probably still could... it's nice to see others reach a similar conclusion. The only thing that really throws me into questioning my stance is Cell's statement regarding who can fight back... but I suppose that one Cell Jr was just better at "toying" with opponents than the others. I just like to think of it as Piccolo had begun his descent into irrelevancy, so he had no reason to be mentioned. How do you deal with the specificness of Cell's vocabulary? The open-ended listing style was surely not the only option available, if Vegeta and Trunks were really the only one's able to fight back. Although, I suppose you could look at it as "Piccolo is still standing, thus can still fight back". A completely viable option I am considering following through with.
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+ Pyrus	Mar 5 2014, 11:07 AM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Piccolo is strong enough, is all I'd take from that scene if I was so inclined. Eh, doesn't really explain much, I guess... More links for the membrane: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8922001&t=8440636 (utter destruction) http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8922094&t=8440636 Edited by Pyrus, Mar 5 2014, 11:08 AM.
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Hearts	Mar 5 2014, 11:09 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 5 2014, 10:49 AM Hearts Mar 5 2014, 10:16 AM All of that doesnt work with "between 16 and semi-perfect", If he was between these, weaker than semi-perfect then he shouldnt have had a chance against Cell jr, if he held his own for a while against them then Vegeta and Trunks should be able to one shot them, they were however not able to. I put Piccolo at 50% of Vegetas power, around 10% of Cells full power or at initial Cells powers. I believe I addressed this in my post. What's going on if they're all toying around? Why didn't the humans die? Why was Goku performing just as poorly as them!? What i mean is when Cell tells them to kill them, all humans were down on the ground (not unconciouss) while Vegeta, Trunks and Piccolo were standing.. Or im getting all of this in the wrong order



Vertical	Mar 5 2014, 11:22 AM Post #9
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 5 2014, 11:07 AM Piccolo is strong enough, is all I'd take from that scene if I was so inclined. Eh, doesn't really explain much, I guess... More links for the membrane: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8922001&t=8440636 (utter destruction) http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8922094&t=8440636 It frustrates me that my topic search for "Cell Games Piccolo" did not show me that topic. If this topic keeps heading in this direction though... I think I'm going to settle with placing him at roughly Semi-Perfect Cell tier... because that's where the dart landed. >_> Edited by Vertical, Mar 5 2014, 11:23 AM.
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+ Yusuke	Mar 5 2014, 04:54 PM Post #10
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	A lot of people aren't going to like this but I only have him stronger than Andriod 16 (not even by a massive amount) and I have Buu Saga Piccolo slightly stronger than Suppressed Semi-Perfect Cell.
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Muyasuki	Mar 5 2014, 10:30 PM Post #11
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	Inbetween Initial Perfect Cell and Cell Games Trunks is where I'd place him.



* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 5 2014, 10:52 PM Post #12
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I have him between Second Form Cell and Super Vegeta. I really don't believe that he ever got much stronger than that because we know that just because you train, doesn't automatically mean that you will get stronger. There was the five year gap prior to DBZ where Piccolo trained hard, but didn't get any noticeable gains at all because he was still behind Goku. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Mar 5 2014, 11:02 PM.
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SSJ	Mar 5 2014, 11:23 PM Post #13
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I believe that Piccolo could be nearing 50% Goku mainly for select reasons that KP has countered. This is a reason that I feel supports my thoughts: http://w11.zetaboards.com/The_Infinity_Forum/single/?p=8711861&t=10053134



Hearts	Mar 6 2014, 01:31 PM Post #14
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	SuperSaiyan2 Mar 5 2014, 11:23 PM I believe that Piccolo could be nearing 50% Goku mainly for select reasons that KP has countered. This is a reason that I feel supports my thoughts: http://w11.zetaboards.com/The_Infinity_Forum/single/?p=8711861&t=10053134 50% of Goku would put him at around Vegetas level tho : O Or where do you place Vegeta and Trunks?



+ Emmeth	Mar 6 2014, 04:53 PM Post #15
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 5 2014, 10:52 PM I really don't believe that he ever got much stronger than that because we know that just because you train, doesn't automatically mean that you will get stronger. There was the five year gap prior to DBZ where Piccolo trained hard, but didn't get any noticeable gains at all because he was still behind Goku. Goku says he had gotten stronger in RoSaT. And Piccolo said he had focused on techniques rather than strength in those five years. Just wanted to point that out -- I believe he's at least stronger than Semi-Perfect Cell, without having him a lot stronger. I believe this power is obtainable in the RoSaT and given that it was Piccolo's first trip in, he would have similar gains to the Saiyans.
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