Something I noticed about Majin Boo's absorption

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Something I noticed about Majin Boo's absorption
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* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 3 2014, 05:51 AM Post #1
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Something just crossed my mind about Majin Boo's absorption, and it goes back to the story about him absorbing the Kaioshins 5 million years prior to the main timeline. When Kid Boo absorbed South Kaioshin, his power increased, but decreased again when he absorbed the gentle Lord of Lords (and became Fat Boo). Logic dictates that he should've increased power even more, because that seems to be the logic that his absorption goes by later when he absorbs the Earth fighters. So, my point being, what evidence do we have that he simply stacks power continually when he absorbs? Is it possible that he only stacks the power of the latest being that he absorbed, and puts the others in reserve? For example, even though he absorbed both Gotenks and Piccolo, is it possible that when he became Boo-iccolo (when Gotenks split) that he only had Piccolo's ki added to his, and Goten and Trunks's went into a reserve? So when he absorbs Gohan, is it possible that he only had Gohan's power added to his, and not Piccolo, Goten, Trunks, and Gohan? To me, it doesn't make sense why he would've lost power when he absorbed The Great Lord of Lords, because Logic dictates that he should've simply stacked it. Just say for a minute that this is true, that would make Vegetto nowhere near as strong as we think he is. It would also make sense why Goku transformed into SSj3 when Boo-iccolo attacked him. Without Goten and Trunks in the equation, there's a (remote) possibility that Goku could've held his own against him, for at least a few minutes while Gohan found the earring.
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Vertical	Mar 3 2014, 06:02 AM Post #2
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	When you stack Goten/Trunks/Piccolo against Gohan... it really doesn't make too much diff if they're there or not. EDIT: Also, "logic" doesn't seem to apply to Kaio absorptions. You could almost theorize that for whatever reason, Buu contradicts Kaio's. South Kaio's burly (read: physically strong)? absorb [Huge ki increase] Dai Kaioshin's a wise, gentle leader? absorb [adopts a childlike, destroyer personality] Potara lasts forever? absorb [Not anymore it doesn't] Edited by Vertical, Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM Post #3
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Vertical Mar 3 2014, 06:02 AM When you stack Goten/Trunks/Piccolo against Gohan... it really doesn't make too much diff if they're there or not. Depends on where you have their bases when compared to Goku's. And it still doesn't account for why absorbing the Great Lords of Lords decreased his power, not increased it.
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Vertical	Mar 3 2014, 06:13 AM Post #4
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM Vertical Mar 3 2014, 06:02 AM When you stack Goten/Trunks/Piccolo against Gohan... it really doesn't make too much diff if they're there or not. Depends on where you have their bases when compared to Goku's. It really doesn't, if you believe [Post-RoSaT] Base Gotenks > [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks >~ SSJ3 Goku... which I'm amazed is even debated. Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM And it still doesn't account for why absorbing the Great Lords of Lords decreased his power, not increased it. Wasn't it implied that since he was such a gentle person, absorbing him somehow granted Buu a heart/consciousness... which somehow resulted in locking away a large portion of his strength? EDIT: I'm also very interested in why something as powerful as Buff Buu would need to absorb Dai Kaioshin in the first place. Edited by Vertical, Mar 3 2014, 06:14 AM.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Mar 3 2014, 06:26 AM Post #5
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Vertical Mar 3 2014, 06:13 AM Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM Vertical Mar 3 2014, 06:02 AM When you stack Goten/Trunks/Piccolo against Gohan... it really doesn't make too much diff if they're there or not. Depends on where you have their bases when compared to Goku's. It really doesn't, if you believe [Post-RoSaT] Base Gotenks > [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks >~ SSJ3 Goku... which I'm amazed is even debated. Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM And it still doesn't account for why absorbing the Great Lords of Lords decreased his power, not increased it. Wasn't it implied that since he was such a gentle person, absorbing him somehow granted Buu a heart/consciousness... which somehow resulted in locking away a large portion of his strength? EDIT: I'm also very interested in why something as powerful as Buff Buu would need to absorb Dai Kaioshin in the first place. First one: Gotenks's power fizzled when he split inside Boo, so it's just them individually, not Gotenks. Second one: Goten and Gohan both had heart too, and their power supposedly simply stacked on top of his. On your edit: That's also something I'd like to know.
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SSJSC	Mar 3 2014, 06:28 AM Post #6
Posts: 1,024 Group: Member Member #10,761 Joined: January 23, 2014	Does anyone know why Buu couldn't digest/stack Vegito like he did with Gotenks? Edited by SSJSC, Mar 3 2014, 06:30 AM.



+ Kyouks	Mar 3 2014, 06:35 AM Post #7
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Firstly, Goku claimed that he was "no match" for just plain old Super Boo. Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P12.4-5 Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!” Goku shouldn't be holding his own against any incarnation of Super Boo – at all. Doesn't matter where you think Gotenks is. Goku transformed because it's the only choice he's got – better than staying in base form. He's either desperately hoping in the heat of the moment to do something (and we should know that this won't happen), or he's just hoping that Boo won't go for the kill and fool around. Take your pick. As for the difference that Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo make...even if you don't subscribe to the base > SSJ thing, Gotenks being ahead of Goku's full power at just the first stage of Super Saiyan makes for quite the monumental difference. To illustrate... Some arbitrary stuffs SSJ3 Goku - 10 SSJ Gotenks - 12 SSJ Gotenks (post-ROASTing) - 15~20 or something, just to be minimal SSJ2 Gotenks (w/ SEG) - 30~40 SSJ3 Gotenks (w/ SEG) - 120~160 Super Boo - 120~160 I think that's enough. The likes of Goten and Trunks, whether in base or Super Saiyan form, aren't going to make much of a difference here. So, in this case at least, I don't think it matters much whether or not the powers stack on top of each other. As for the situation with Kais: there was that time when either Dabra or Babidi said that they shouldn't use Yeast Kaioshin's energy to awaken Fat Boo, IIRC. My guess is that Kai energy is different in nature from regular chi – somehow, don't know how – and this is why Kai energy had such strange effects on Boo in the past. Vertical's got the right idea with that theory there, I'd say. SSJSC Mar 3 2014, 06:28 AM Does anyone know why Buu couldn't digest/stack Vegito like he did with Gotenks? Vegetto erected a barrier of sorts around himself, so he didn't get stuck in one of those pod things. Edited by Kyouks, Mar 3 2014, 06:45 AM.



SSJSC	Mar 3 2014, 06:36 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,024 Group: Member Member #10,761 Joined: January 23, 2014	Okay, anybody else besides Kyouks?



Vertical	Mar 3 2014, 06:53 AM Post #9
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 3 2014, 06:26 AM Vertical Mar 3 2014, 06:13 AM Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM Vertical Mar 3 2014, 06:02 AM When you stack Goten/Trunks/Piccolo against Gohan... it really doesn't make too much diff if they're there or not. Depends on where you have their bases when compared to Goku's. It really doesn't, if you believe [Post-RoSaT] Base Gotenks > [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks >~ SSJ3 Goku... which I'm amazed is even debated. First one: Gotenks's power fizzled when he split inside Boo, so it's just them individually, not Gotenks. Oh yes, I'm aware... it's just that because of that chain, Gohan ends up a decent amount beyond SSJ3 Goku... who should be a decent amount above his Base self... who should be above the kids. If we wanted to throw numbers at it: I'm a pretty extreme minimalist... but adhering to that power chain puts my Gohan ~200x my Base Goku. The kids being even less than that really make little difference to Buuhan's [or even Buucolo's] power (likely less than 0.01% for most people). Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM Vertical Mar 3 2014, 06:13 AM Ketchupis Ultionis Mar 3 2014, 06:09 AM And it still doesn't account for why absorbing the Great Lords of Lords decreased his power, not increased it. Wasn't it implied that since he was such a gentle person, absorbing him somehow granted Buu a heart/consciousness... which somehow resulted in locking away a large portion of his strength? Second one: Goten and Gohan both had heart too, and their power supposedly simply stacked on top of his. I don't know about that... Goten maybe... but Gohan's pretty sadistic. Perhaps because of the balance of overall "goodness"/"innocence" vs "evil"/"maliciousness" it didn't effect the result as much? Kyouks Mar 3 2014, 06:35 AM As for the situation with Kais: there was that time when either Dabra or Babidi said that they shouldn't use Yeast Kaioshin's energy to awaken Fat Boo, IIRC. My guess is that Kai energy is different in nature from regular chi – somehow, don't know how – and this is why Kai energy had such strange effects on Boo in the past. Vertical's got the right idea with that theory there, I'd say. SSJSC Mar 3 2014, 06:28 AM Does anyone know why Buu couldn't digest/stack Vegito like he did with Gotenks? The energy shield Kyouka mentioned. ...I am so done with messing around with quotes... Edited by Vertical, Mar 3 2014, 06:54 AM.
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bloodstained euphy	Mar 3 2014, 08:31 AM Post #10
Posts: 842 Group: Member Member #7,357 Joined: February 25, 2012 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Code Geas, Dinosaur King, Sword Art Online, One Punch Man, Danganronpa What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox	Absorbing kais have different effects on Buu. Some may cause an increase, some may cause adecrease, and some others, who knows? For a normal being to reduce Buu's power by being absorbed would require a negative power level, which is impossible.



SuperSaiyan1993	Mar 3 2014, 05:43 PM Post #11
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	The way I see it: Normal Absorption (with the Z fighters): Additive Kai Absorption: Multiplicative/Exponential -- The Kai magic and Majin magic combine to produce exponential results. The only reason why it didn't work with the Fat Kaioshin was because his innocence was suppressing the evil. It would seem that Buu's power is largely tied with his evilness. This is why when Fat Buu split, Good Buu was absolutely nothing compared to Evil Buu
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SSJSC	Mar 4 2014, 03:55 AM Post #12
Posts: 1,024 Group: Member Member #10,761 Joined: January 23, 2014	SuperSaiyan1993 Mar 3 2014, 05:43 PM The way I see it: Normal Absorption (with the Z fighters): Additive Kai Absorption: Multiplicative/Exponential -- The Kai magic and Majin magic combine to produce exponential results. The only reason why it didn't work with the Fat Kaioshin was because his innocence was suppressing the evil. It would seem that Buu's power is largely tied with his evilness. This is why when Fat Buu split, Good Buu was absolutely nothing compared to Evil Buu Are there any Kais Buu could've absorbed to increase his power exponentially?



SuperSaiyan1993	Mar 4 2014, 03:12 PM Post #13
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	SSJSC Mar 4 2014, 03:55 AM SuperSaiyan1993 Mar 3 2014, 05:43 PM The way I see it: Normal Absorption (with the Z fighters): Additive Kai Absorption: Multiplicative/Exponential -- The Kai magic and Majin magic combine to produce exponential results. The only reason why it didn't work with the Fat Kaioshin was because his innocence was suppressing the evil. It would seem that Buu's power is largely tied with his evilness. This is why when Fat Buu split, Good Buu was absolutely nothing compared to Evil Buu Are there any Kais Buu could've absorbed to increase his power exponentially? As weird as it sounds, since Kaioshin was the last of the Supreme Kais, Buu might have gotten an exponential increase from absorbing him.
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+ Pyrus	Mar 4 2014, 03:36 PM Post #14
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I think absorbing Yeast Kaioshin would've turned him into a pansy ~~that's so blind and poopy that fans would use him to ignore power statements they don't like~~.
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SuperSaiyan1993	Mar 4 2014, 03:43 PM Post #15
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Kamikaze Pyro Mar 4 2014, 03:36 PM I think absorbing Yeast Kaioshin would've turned him into a pansy ~~that's so blind and poopy that fans would use him to ignore power statements they don't like~~. Yeah most likely I just wanted to have the Kai absorption theory be intact so that's why the key word in my previous post was "might". But, something about Buu overpowering the Z fighters by absorbing Supreme Pansy does not sound right at all
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