Hidden ki vs Potential?

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Hidden ki vs Potential?
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* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 23 2014, 10:23 PM Post #1
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Since FUNI used "Potential" as indistinguishable from Hidden or Latent Ki during their dubbing of the series, I think it's important to discuss the difference between the two because people seem to get confused. As far as my understanding goes: Hidden ki: A latent reserve of ki that always exists, and is inaccessible to people under normal circumstances. This reserve can be awakened through special unlocks, rituals, rage, or through transforming. Potential: The potential is how strong someone can get over time. Toriyama states that potentials are unlimited, therefore one can continually get stronger as long as they keep training. A "Potential" has nothing to do with hidden reserves. However, if you notice, we never see any adults get their ki unlocked twice, while Gohan did (once as an adult, once as a kid). With that being said, I think it's possible that hidden ki refills over time, and possibly stops when they become fully grown. Since your body isn't fully developed, it's likely that you can gain more hidden reserves. It seems to make sense to me. Discuss.
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Hearts	Feb 23 2014, 11:43 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	What about linits? Where does that fit in?



+ Kaboom	Feb 24 2014, 12:34 AM Post #3
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	"Limits" are like walls blocking the path you're trying to walk. Some walls are made of something really weak, like papier-mâché or Raditz, and you can just punch through them without much extra effort. Some walls are sturdy brick or concrete and require dynamite or something to break through. Some walls require nothing short of a helicopter to lift you over them. A DBZ character's limits worth the same way. There's no such thing as an impassable wall, or an absolute maximum that you can never surpass. There's just roadblocks and slowdowns along the way, each requiring more extreme methods to overcome.



* Ketchup Revenge	Feb 24 2014, 12:42 AM Post #4
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Hearts Feb 23 2014, 11:43 PM What about linits? Where does that fit in? I assume you're referring to Gohan's ritual? I assume that limits are what you're capable of at that time physically. Once you transform, you have access to a reserve that you don't normally have access to in your previous state. For example, when you're Super Saiyan, you don't have access to the reserve that you use in Super Saiyan 2 because SSj isn't physically capable of efficiently using a reserve that high. Same with Super Saiyan 3 being one that you're not able to use in Super Saiyan 2. However, if you consider it, the transformations themselves burn ki, so you're not actually using all you can use. Of course, with Gohan, his natural body was conditioned accommodate all his hidden ki that had been awakened during the ritual, which was all his hidden ki. For example, Gohan at the time of his ritual was capable of SSj2 tier power, but that's as high as he could go at that time. Had more ki, he just wasn't capable of accessing it consciously. And considering that he hadn't significantly increased power since the Cell Games, there's no reason to believe that he would be any stronger than himself during that time. Also I translate it as we can't actually know the full limits of someone until they're fully grown. But, that's just my interpretation.
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


SSJSC	Feb 24 2014, 12:47 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,024 Group: Member Member #10,761 Joined: January 23, 2014	So if Gohan gets angry after the elder kaioshin ritual, it wouldn't make him any more stronger right?



Topographic Oceans	Feb 24 2014, 01:05 AM Post #6
Posts: 1,795 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	I've come to believe all DB characters have equal/limitless potential. They just reach a point were it becomes harder to get much stronger by training. Some races, like the Saiyans, have biological advantages when it comes to fighting (like Super Saiyan, Zenkais and extended youth) that makes gaining power much easier for them. For most of the other races, however, it reaches a point were you can't really progress much further, but only make some marginal gains. Hidden ki just refills after it is exausted, in my opinion. It's like a "emergency reserve" that comes up under different circunstamnes. I am guilty of mixing up the terms potential and hidden ki. It's not only the Funi dub. Most translations use this terms as interchangeable, so the problem isn't only inherent to the english speaking fanbase. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Feb 24 2014, 09:22 AM.
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SSJSC	Feb 24 2014, 01:09 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,024 Group: Member Member #10,761 Joined: January 23, 2014	TheDoc Feb 24 2014, 01:05 AM I've come to believe all DB characters have equal/limitless potential. They just reach a point were it becomes harder to get much stronger by training. Some races, like the Saiyans, have biological advantages when it comes to fighting (like Super Saiyan, Zenkais and extended youth) that makes gaining power much easier for them. For most of the other races, however, it reaches a point were you can't really progress much further, but only make some marginal gains. Hidden ki just refills after it is exausted, in my opinion. It's like a "emergency reserve" that comes up under different circunstamnes. Half-Saiyans have bigger hidden reserves and that's why they are generally stronger than normal Saiyans. I am guilty of mixing up the terms potential and hidden ki. It's not only the Funi dub. Most translations use this terms as interchangeable, so the problem isn't only inherent to the english speaking fanbase. Woah, aren't you kind of contradicting yourself over there? First you say they have unlimited potential, and then you say they have a limit point. And plus, what DB characters are you referring to? There are only the saiyans, half saiyans, and humans living on earth. Edited by SSJSC, Feb 24 2014, 01:09 AM.



Topographic Oceans	Feb 24 2014, 01:27 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,795 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	SSJSC Feb 24 2014, 01:09 AM TheDoc Feb 24 2014, 01:05 AM I've come to believe all DB characters have equal/limitless potential. They just reach a point were it becomes harder to get much stronger by training. Some races, like the Saiyans, have biological advantages when it comes to fighting (like Super Saiyan, Zenkais and extended youth) that makes gaining power much easier for them. For most of the other races, however, it reaches a point were you can't really progress much further, but only make some marginal gains. Hidden ki just refills after it is exausted, in my opinion. It's like a "emergency reserve" that comes up under different circunstamnes. Half-Saiyans have bigger hidden reserves and that's why they are generally stronger than normal Saiyans. I am guilty of mixing up the terms potential and hidden ki. It's not only the Funi dub. Most translations use this terms as interchangeable, so the problem isn't only inherent to the english speaking fanbase. Woah, aren't you kind of contradicting yourself over there? First you say they have unlimited potential, and then you say they have a limit point. And plus, what DB characters are you referring to? There are only the saiyans, half saiyans, and humans living on earth. They can't make much more gains by normal training methods, but that doesn't mean they reached their full potential. They will keep making marginal gains as long as they live (if they keep training), but not big gains. With DB characters, i am refering to Dragon Ball characters. Saiyans, Namekians, humans, etc. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Feb 24 2014, 01:34 AM.
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+ miguelnuva	Feb 24 2014, 02:08 PM Post #9
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Potential: What you are born with, never changes, is huge, the absolute power of a user, user most train hard almost all the time to one day reach this limit. Once this level is reached a user has become their most powerful unless their limits are surpassed through magic or absorbing others ki. ssj4 does this and Old kai takes you beyond this. Dormant power: This is the power you are also born with but this power changes. Dormant power can be unlocked but it will reset over time. A user can max out their normal power but they need to access their dormant power to continue on. example: Goku and Gohan maxed out as SSJ but when SSJ2 was unlocked this would give Gohan more room to train as his dormant power was brought forth. Every other unlock in the series is this. Dormant power is like a lake that the user can tap into once the lake runs dry ti needs Potential which is like the Ocean to refill it. In a rare case Potential is unlocked a massive boost is given to the user. This is my thoughts.
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~~gogito~~	Mar 2 2014, 09:52 AM Post #10
Saiyan Posts: 115 Group: Suspended Member #10,539 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	maybe they work harmoniously? idk, it's just IMO. when i think about it, i always put the two together for some reason. because potential is not a finite thing, (meaning in theory the more you could train given your heritage, i.e. gohan being a half saiyan half human, the more potential you gain) you could probably assume that the more potential you gain the more hidden ki becomes released and gets put back in simultaneously Edited by gogito, Mar 2 2014, 09:52 AM.



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